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Posted by rsjz4 on October 19, 2007 at 9:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I would like to know why the one couple was not charged in the death of their infant. He died of malnourishment and asphyxiation and no one was charged. This is a cult through and through. I used to work with a lady who was a member. They give all their money to the leader and then live off the welfare system.

I am sure this little girl is not the only being molested and being 'prepared' for 'marriage'. The whole compound needs to be investigated.

Posted by wild_bill on October 19, 2007 at 9:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

What I hate is every time Bill Hawkins is mentioned, the Distorter News reminds everyone he used to be an Abilene Policeman. They might as well say he was born on a Tuesday, or raised in a hog pen or was an alter boy or whatever. (and no, I have no idea what day he was born on, where he lived or if he even went to a real church in his life). Whatever he "was", the focus needs to be on what he has become. He left the force in '77. It's long past time to drop the connection between Hawkins and our local heros.

Posted by strictnow on October 19, 2007 at 10:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

VERY WELL SAID..wild_bill. What in the world
purpose does mentioning this have ANYTHIING
to do with this horrible crime?????

Posted by jamieg on October 20, 2007 at 12:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I agree too. That man has no connection to the police in the Abilene I live in. I don't think any one cares any more what either of these men used to be. Look at the evil they have done. My heart aches for that poor girl. How many others have they hurt? The time now is to give thanks for the strong people who stand up to monsters like them and save children. Those are the heros.

Posted by yaaqovh on October 20, 2007 at 2:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I am Skip Stanley and I have been investigating the murders and rapes that have gone on inside The House of Yahweh by its' members and leaders. I was a member in 1988 and was ex-communicated in 1995. I am trying to work with Law Enforcement and the FBI to stop these evil practices, and clean up the reputation of Texas. I have a website www.skipstanley.com with more information. The Abilene Reporter News has been a great help in bringing this group to justice.

Posted by texmade2 on October 20, 2007 at 6:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

this person will have his day in court, but as
for any religious group , they all have members
who have been accused of alleged sexual assault .
if he even went to a real church in his life, what is a real church, did god say any religious group
was a real church, or dose it need to have so much
money , or lots of people, or maybe there is no such thing.

Posted by texmade2 on October 20, 2007 at 6:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Oh by the way no I do not belong to
any religious group,

Posted by Paradise_Lost on October 21, 2007 at 12:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The problem is that the sum of the HOY members are people who are quite simple. Additionally, most members possess the attributes that allows for someone like Mr. Hawkins to take full control of their lives in order to create faithful followers to serve his specific needs, holy or unholy. The unfortunate part is however, that their are many victims caught in the wake of this madness specifically the children of the followers who know no other way of life. These children have grown up conditioned to believe this is the truth despite their rightful apprehensions. Don't they react to these apprehensions you might ask yourself safe and sound outside the HOY compound? Yes of course they do just like any other faithful follower would, by subjecting their own flesh & blood to the same conditions that held them captive. Additionally, The thought of breaking the cycle is perceived as sacreligous and an impossiblity once coupled with threats of potential harm or the loss of their salvation... The reality is these people need the help & support from the people of their community. Although, this may be a tough request to address just know that there are MANY innocent women & children out there right now who could use your help.

Posted by efowl33 on October 21, 2007 at 3:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I say ship them all off to a small island somewhere, they are some strange folks. Nothing but a cult, get rid of them, also killing property values out in the Eula area.

Posted by tacmanj on October 21, 2007 at 7:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

This reminds me somewhat of the Jim Jones fiasco a number of years ago. It just hasn't reached the point of mass suicides. Hers hopping thatg it doesn't!!!!!!

Posted by fender on October 21, 2007 at 10:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)

It is amazing how small peoples minds have become in America, they believe everything that they read in the paper. Don't you realize that the propaganda that you read it there to make you believe everything and anything. First of all this man has not been convicted of anything only accused, yet some dull minded people have already convicted him because of their inability to reason or understand that the laws. As for the child case this couple was not convicted because there was no crime committed. However, because some of you believe everything that is written in the paper, you think that this is truth...Well wake up people you are being manipulated by the biggest con game in all of history it is called mainstream media. As for the House of Yahweh, they teach their people to live by the laws of the bible, which of course most of you slow minded people don't understand because most of you have never read a bible in your life. If one person goes astray you are saying that the whole community is responsible? So next time your neighbor kills someone should we kill the whole neighborhood or anyone who knew the killer? Where does this guilt by association we are promoting come from? I think that anyone who has had any association with someone from the House of Yahweh, knows that for the most part they are a very honest, trustworthy, hard working people. I can't believe some of the comments that I have seen on this article. Before you become the judge and jury why don't we let the legal system do it's job first? And should one person be found guilty where does that say that everyone is in agreement with that person or follows that persons mindset? I know of many people everyday who are found guilty of crimes, however, i don't see their religion being promoted in these supposedly acurate news reports? I don't see people saying let's go kill the whole church? This is America and people have the right to follow the bible as they believe it, in fact, if our forefathers didn't buck up against the church and government tyranny, we wouldn't be living here today free to choose our beliefs. The House of Yahweh condemns sodomy, beastiality, adultery, child molestation, drunkeness and every other sin (I John 3:4) that is condemned by the bible.

Posted by texmade2 on October 21, 2007 at 11:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by fender on October 21, 2007 at 10:18 a.m
well put

Posted by rsjz4 on October 21, 2007 at 11:25 a.m. (Suggest removal)

You say no one was charged in the death of the one month old because there was no crime committed?? What do you call malnourishment and TRAUMATIC asphyxiation? I call those crimes.

Posted by Paradise_Lost on October 21, 2007 at 2:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Just in case I forgot to mention that my comment was based on fact from the INSIDE.

The only propaganda noteworthy here is not the media, but the above active believers comment by de "fender".

So fender who specifically were you refering to when you made this comment?

"...most of you slow minded people don't understand because most of you have never read a bible in your life."

Reporter News readers?

Texans?

Americans?

Are you sure about that?

Anyway, My opinion still stands because unfortunately it's not based on what I read.

My final comment or let's call it a prophecy, he will be convicted.

Posted by EyeBeam on October 21, 2007 at 3:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I have a few things to say: (doubt you will listen to someone who isn't lying and tearing people down, but I'll try)

1. Isn't it innocent until proven guilty? I would bet a hole in a doughnut that this article said ALLEDGED not found guilty.

2. Why don't we announce all the churches the not only alleged but actual offenders grew up in or go to? Also, if we shot all of their churches, there would be very few people left on the Earth.

3. How about some of you get the beam out of your own eye and look in the mirror? Why do you have so much hatred in you that you would LIE and want to KILL people who you don't even know, people that have never done a thing to you or your family?

4. I wonder if all the newspaers are going to run this story the same way when he is proven innocent? I doubt it, they will probably just post a small article, a few lines or not even mention it. Because you know, anything positive about the House of Yahweh calls them liars.

One more thing, please lets not forget the millions of CHRISTians and Catholics that are comvicted (not alleged, but actually proven guilty in the Court of Law) of this crime every day, hour, and second. So many of them that the jails are bursting at the seams. Please be sure to leave the dirty nasty comments you left here on the bottom of those articles, you know, if you can stand not being hypocrites for a second.

If you all think The House of Yahweh is hurt by your nastiness, please, The House of Yahweh has gone through this for over 40+ years and continues to get healthier, wiser, and stronger!

Posted by cycloptic on October 21, 2007 at 3:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Actually in cases where there is suggestion that the church supports or has ignored misconduct by its members or leadership, that fact is repeatedly and persistently revisited by the media whenever a similar situation comes up. The folks over at the Los Angeles Diocese of the Catholic Church, or the LDS will attest to this fact. HOY and its leadership are blameless because they claim to reject immorality and sexual abuse? I guess the Catholic church must also be blameless then. Talk about propaganda.

Posted by always_thinking on October 21, 2007 at 5:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

For the 2 Yahweh defenders above that both mentioned other posters wanting to "KILL" people who they don't know. Did you read a different forum than me or did I miss something? Who said anything about killing?
String him up by his -expletive- if he's guilty, close the sect and ship them off are all there and seem like honest to come by opinions but you both brough up people wanting to kill you? Did you guys all have a meeting last night where you were told the people in the paper want to kill you?
I'm no fan of cults myself as i've never seen anything good come of them but I am a big fan of arresting possible child molesters and an even bigger fan of punishing them to the full extent of the law when found guilty. I find it hard to believe if he was turned in by a third party, the girl spoke out against him, and there are detailed accounts of times it occured he can be found innocent but you can all pray for him.

Posted by always_thinking on October 21, 2007 at 5:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Also, killing an innocent baby IS a crime whether you do it by neglect or accident or on purpose - ask the guy just given 30 years for it. If it wasn't a crime why did they bury the body and try to hide the death? I have no idea why charges weren't filed and last time the paper brought it up neither did anyone else. It was apparant by the evidence and medical reports at the time the child did not die of natural causes which leaves 2 facts. 1) the child was killed 2) the parents who were members of this cult tried to cover it up
I would love to see a public statement by the police department on why that poor baby was allowed to be murdered and nothing done about it.

Posted by Paradise_Lost on October 21, 2007 at 5:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Good point always_thinking and the reason is because they actually did have a sermon yesterday announcing to them to prepare themselves to die because the outside world will want to come and kill them.

Posted by abbilene on October 21, 2007 at 5:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Eyebeam-
HOY founded in 1980. 2007-1980= 27 years. Not 40. So there you go, a lie. No, this man may not have hurt me personally, and yes, he is presumed innocent until proven guilty. However, if he is guilty, he has "done something to me". He has made our world less safe, and profoundly damaged a child. (The majority of pedophiles, from what I understand, are former victims. Therefore, he is possibly inflicting damage on future generations.)
I am anxious to see your post if/when this man is convicted.
I am sure that any person, regardless of religious affiliation, would be strung up on these boards if the same alligations were made against them. Pedophiles are an easy target, be they HOY, LDS, Catholic, or any other religion. (BTW, Catholics are Christians, no need to separate the two.)
Why are you so hostile if you are trying to show the world what a great religion HOY is, anyway? Aren't you supposed to turn the other cheek? You are sounding a little defensive to me....

Posted by yaaqovh on October 21, 2007 at 5:42 p.m.

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Posted by HOY_defector on October 21, 2007 at 6:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

To the fenders of the HOY...

Being a past member we would like to offer you some advise. We left because being like the Bereans Acts 17:11 we reading the Bible as you assert saw the errors of these teachings. We left many friends because error is error and must be treated as so, especially when the leaders state so emphatically that they are correct. We can truly say as so many others have; you will one day learn the same thing and be saddened that you could have ever been associated with sucn men... Proverbs 9:9!

Posted by yaaqovh on October 21, 2007 at 6:54 p.m.

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Posted by matteroffact on October 21, 2007 at 8:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Please re-read the following which all users agreed to do when they signed up.

"Comments are the sole responsibility of the person posting them. You agree not to post comments that are off topic, defamatory, obscene, abusive, threatening or an invasion of privacy. Violators may be banned."

I suggest that all users be banned that are typing individual persons names and saying things about them. Unless YOU WANT A LAWSUIT!

ARN needs to remove Yaaqov Pushiebaquarpathä Hawkins for naming names and DEFAMING OTHERS.

He is making up lies and does not have his facts straight. I don't believe this comment section was provided to defame the public and add to news articles.

I believe if he has listed your name on here or on his website, you should get an attorney and sue him for defamation of character as soon as possible!

Posted by JoeBob on October 22, 2007 at 10:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Whats up with the censorship? I read those comments and they werent bad. They weren't probably the truth but not sure why that mens they need to be deleted.

Posted by always_thinking on October 22, 2007 at 11:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The yaaqovh post was a little out there but the post itself wasn't defamatory at all and ARN can't censor the webpage he made. Pure_Lights post was deleted after the yaaqovh post and I didn't see anything the least bit wrong with it.
Meh, guess if we really want things brought out in public we should call that nice lady in Jim Ned and tell her we need her to make some of those phone calls she's good at. ;)

Posted by Pure_Light on October 22, 2007 at 11:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)

You want your name to be slandered and your reputation questioned? If your going to post peoples names, then you need to make sure your facts are true!!! DON'T YOU THINK?

Posted by matteroffact on October 22, 2007 at 11:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)

ARN did the right thing by removing some of these comments. Yes, they were Deflamatory and an invasion of privacy. Anytime you mention a person by their name, and say things, in this case, lies, about them, it is deflamatory and defamation of character and all the above.

If you feel these comments were removed and should not have been, please, always_thinking and JoeBob, please do, show us who you are, use your real names. You hide behind your real names here, but if your real names were put out there and lies were being told about you, I guarantee you would request your name to be removed.

Posted by Pure_Light on October 22, 2007 at 12:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

THIS COMMENT ALSO NEEDS TO BE DELETED FROM THIS PAGE:

Posted by fromcentex: Shoot em all

FENDER HAS A GREAT POINT:

If one person goes astray you are saying that the whole community is responsible? So next time your neighbor kills someone should we kill the whole neighborhood or anyone who knew the killer? Where does this guilt by association we are promoting come from?

Posted by always_thinking on October 22, 2007 at 12:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm saying he was being defamatory in his website, not in the actual post he made and Pure-Light was just making fun of his name and his site and there is certainly a lot of making fun of people going on in these forums.

Posted by yaaqovh on October 22, 2007 at 12:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Peace to you

I have all my facts very streight, and I am getting to the bottom of The House of Yahweh. I have much more to add to everything I have stated, and Yisrayl Hawkins is the leader teaching all these people what they are doing is right and clean, but I will prove some of the things they teach are illegal. I will post Scripture here, instead of the true personal facts of who's Who in The House of Yahweh. I will leave that for my movie. I am begging for The House of Yahweh to explain what I did not have right in my whole website, because I would love to get it perfectly right. every name, and every action! I am waiting for your specific remarks so I can change the misspelled words, because I am very sure that is what needs fixed. It's a matteroffact many of their names are very hard to spell.

We can all enjoy the Fathers Words here.

Sorry you do not really want the truth about hoy exposed yet, but when you want to know more you know where to look;

www.skipstanley.com

Yaaqov

Posted by Pure_Light on October 22, 2007 at 12:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

WHAT ABOUT THE SCRIPTURE IN:

1 THESSALONIANS 4:11-
MAKE IT YOUR AMBITION TO LEAD A QUIET LIFE, TO MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS!!!!!!

Posted by 7chagith613 on October 22, 2007 at 3:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

For the HOY we will serve Yahweh. I don't expect any justice to come from such allegations. Remember innocent until proven guilty oh i forgot this is Callahan County for any member of the House of Yahweh you are guilty until proven innocent.Do you people sleep at night thinking and scheming ways to bring the HOY down? False accusations, case in point Christian people you say you read the holy scriptures so were the prophets killed, beaten throw in jail from accusations when they were sent to warn the people. Yahshua Messiah was put to death by accusations no one wanted to know the truth why because he kept the 613 laws of Yahweh. Anytime you keep these wonderful laws it brings about hatred to the very ones who think they are so smart and educated. But your minds are so darkened, like i said before we will serve Yahweh, but go on Christian people and continue to serve your gassy god which can do nothing for you. This comment is for open minded clear thinking people, do you believe everything you see and read, The so called media will try and sell you a 3 headed monkey and then tell you it's really a human being we created in a lab. Do you really think there will be justice in this case. Noooooo!!!!
Yisrayl Hawkins who you like to smudge and throw dirt on is a man of peace. Remember you may persecute the HOY with your lies and reproaches but this only makes the HOY stronger. Like the scripture says oh fools and slow of heart not to believe all that the prophets have written. I feel sorry for you because you are a deceived people who seek after signs but their won't be any signs in these last days. Yahshua said forgive them for they know not what they do. You people don't know why you hate the House of Yahweh. I'll tell you this everything you do is a choice and you say we do everything Yisrayl tell us to do yes we do because it is according to the law and prophets and what do you do any and everything that is right in your mind. So stop hating on the Hoy because you people who have encountered the HOY people have been shown anything but respect. This HOY will be raised up for the world to see.

Posted by always_thinking on October 22, 2007 at 5:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I have a very straighforward question to ask the HOY members on this forum. We can clear up a lot of accusations and speculations right here.
Do your teachings promote having sexual contact with girls under the age of 15? I've never encountered a HOY, I don't know but I want to.

Are you saying Hawkins is being accused falsely of sexual contact or that he had the contact and just shouldn't be in trouble for it?

Let people know the truth from the horses mouth and you can clear up a lot of disdain for your organization. As is there are accusations and there are HOY members upset about the accusations but not denying or clarifying. One of you, current not ex-communicated, tell us clearly where HOY stands on this type of activity with young girls. Does it happen? If it does you must believe its right so tell us why. If you don't believe its right you must have an obligation to keep it from happening. What do you believe?

Posted by yaaqovh on October 22, 2007 at 9:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Peace to ALL;

Aways_Thinking has asked the right question!!! Please answer the question 7chagith613! I am a ex-member, and I KNOW the truth! Hoy even teaches oral sex in their priest classes to children as young as 7 years old! I have proof! Yisrayl Hawkins and all the Elders believe there is no blood in sperm, and teach their members it is clean, healthy to eat! This is written in The Dead Sea Scrolls: DSS The Damacus Doc. Ch.1 verse 30. And they chose the pleasures of the throat\31 and justified the wicked and condemned the just\32 |20| and *transgressed The Covenants\33 and broke The Statute,
I am very specific in my statements. I do not slander anyone. I told the truth, with names and dates, with specific actions. I do want to be apart of hoy 7chagith613. I really love the hoy members, and I love YHWH, but Yisrayl Hawkins excommunicated me in 1995 for disagreeing with his sexual beliefs with children, and I have found your group is now VERY involved in much worse activity than in 1995 when I was excommunicated from your group. 7Chagith613 we are ALL waiting for your answers! DO YOU BELIEVE A MAN CAN HAVE SEX WITH A GIRL UNDER THE AGE OF 15, and IS ORAL SEX ACCEPTABLE?

Yaaqov Hawkins

Posted by RachylyahHawkins on October 22, 2007 at 10:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

7chagith613 John[yahachanan 4:23]: But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. John [yahachanan 4:24]:The Heavenly Father [is] a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship [him] in spirit and in truth. No, the CREATOR of ALL is NOT a GASSY GOD..but neither is he the GOD hoy members are worshipping: He is NOT the GOD of the thunderbolts. Another LIE hoy perpetuates is that the yode hey waw hey - the name of the father is pronounced yahwe. This has not been proven, only the YAH. at this point in time. check out http://womanandmenofsamaria.blogspot.com..., or http://creatorschildrenarevalued.blogspo.....
best to search on yahoo search engine to find. One of the major problems with hoy is they do not worship in spirit or in truth, nor do they know the only name under which one will be saved..the name of the mashiyach, which has the entire, full name of the heavenly father in it, which is why the 13th apostle false paul made it a crime to pronounce the mashiyachs name, as it had the full name of the Father in it, so was considered blasphemy, and he as a member of the Sanhedrin gave the order to have certain disciples killed..hence "stephen", who was probably not "Stephen" as his knowledge far exceeded a new convert..he was most likely an ORIGINAL disciple of the TRUE MASHIYACH. dear hoy member, there is SO much you do not know, but I do realize that hoy keeps their members so busy working to pay for THEIR BOOKS OF YISRAYL and their olive leaf extract and other "essential"[will not make it into the kingdom unless you BUY it b.s. crap]..that it leaves NO TIME to study and look for the REAL TRUTH which can be found in the non-tampered non-massorettic texts- HOY would be the first to crucify the true disciples and true MASHIYACH if they knocked on their door, and the MASHIYACH would surely condemn this FALSE RELIGIOUS bunch of malarchy talmudic rabbinic--heirarchy..keep em in bondage, separate the people in order of importance..meanwhile the mashiyach told his true disciples, John 15:15:Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his teacher doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.

Posted by yaaqovh on October 23, 2007 at 12:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Peace to All
I was a member, and involved with these people personally, and they are still personal friends of mine. This job I am doing is bringing out the truth! A Righteous man has nothing to hide, so what is Yisyayl Hawkins problem? The Elders of hoy are there to help people, Yedidiyah, Kepha, and Jacob Moshe are suppose to answer these questions so get them here so they can defend there reputation if they find my words false! I do not want to hurt these old friends of mine, but these old friends are hurting children in hoy, and something must be done about the errors of their ways. I have given Yisrayl, Yedidiyah, Moshe, and Kepha 15 years to repent of hurting people, and now I will stop them with The Laws of YHWH, and our Texas State Laws, because what they are doing is Illegal in every Court of Justice. Polygamy, child abuse, and murder are illegal and it is a proven FACT they are involved in Illegal activities with-in hoy, and hoy is teaching these practices in their priest classes. Would you like to see just how far I am taking this problem? Because this sexual activity is a taught practice of hoy, every member may lose their children to CPS. Hoy as a group teach Child Abuse, and I have proven these facts. The hoy members have NO RIGHT to keep their children, and every hoy member could find jail time for their beliefs. So you need to wake-up before you get arrested! Practicing a religion is fine, but when your religion causes Child Abuse, and breaks State Laws that is where I draw the line! Your Leader Yisrayl Hawkins is the real problem, but every one of you are going to suffer because you break The Creators Laws, and The Laws of Texas!
DSS The Damascus Doc. Ch. 7 ver. 1-8 The commanding one is he who prophesies concerning which he said, "For a surety they do drop words\1." They are ensnared by two: by fornication\2, taking two wives during their lifetimes\3, *but the foundation of the creation\4 is, "Male and female created He them\5." And they who came into the Ark, "Two and two went into the Ark\6." As to the prince\7 it is written, "He shall not multiply wives unto himself"\8,
Yaaqov Pushiebaquarpathä Hawkins

Posted by yaaqovh on October 23, 2007 at 12:25 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Peace to All
CPS, and The FBI agents Gary McKnoll and Dan Cotner, as well as Callahan County Sheriff Eddie Curtis, were all aware of these things many years ago. I am pushing these men to do their jobs. I ask them to forgive me, but I care more about the innocent children than their reputations! This is why I am called; Yaaqov Pushiebaquarpathä Hawkins, by my friends, because everyone thinks I am "Pushie"! Sorry if this offended these people, but they really have no idea how many people they are hurting in not doing their jobs. I have had many arguments with the Elders about these teachings, and they ALL tell me there is nothing wrong with oral sex, and it's healthy to EAT!!! Read; DSS The Damacus Doc. Ch.1 verse 30. And they chose the pleasures of the throat\31 and justified the wicked and condemned the just\32 |20| and *transgressed The Covenants\33 and broke The Statute, I read this whole first Chapter to Yisrayl Hawkins in his office in 1995, and he stopped me from reading any more and had Matt Stubbs, Kepha Arcemont, Aniyah Bolder, and Shaul Schneider excommunicate me from the House of Yahweh that same day, and told me I would burn in HELL!!! 7Chagith613 is this love?
I am very convinced the birds of one feather flock together, and after 20 years of ex-communicating members, everyone who stands against this teaching left long ago. When this is finished, more than half The House of Yahweh will be in jail, if they do not repent, and change their beliefs. I have been pushing for arrests of every Elder with-in the group, because they are ALL responsible for these troubles, because they teach it to the children!!!
This is a WARNING TO The House of Yahweh members!!! Wake-up! I am pushing this to The Whitehouse, and The State of Texas is hearing me as you can see!!! After 15 years of begging Yisrayl Hawkins, and the Elders to repent, forgiveness is not available for these leaders. I spend ALL my TIME NIGHT and DAY working to STOP Yisrayl Hawkins, and put him, and ALL his Elders into PRISON!!!
7Chagith613, I do what I do in genuine concern for your children because you are the ones deceived. I ask you to read the first page of my website, because it is written to help hoy people see the truth. Give me a try. I really do understand exactly what you believe. I was a member for 6 years from 1988-1995, and helped write the books of Yisrayl Hawkins you are studying from. Please study outside his books. Read the Dead Sea Scrolls you will find more Truth. You know Yisrayl Hawkins accepted These Scrolls, so please read them.

www.skipstanley.com
Yaaqov Pushiebaquarpathä Hawkins

Posted by yaaqovh on October 23, 2007 at 12:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Please everyone write letters to the Attorney General's Office, and cry out for help!!! Unless the State feels that it is the publics' desire to fix this situation, they stand still, as I have been trying to get this situation fixed for two years with the State. I have been to every Law Enforcement Agency in the Country with these complaints.
I called Callahan County Attorney Shane Deel on 10/19/07 at 2 p.m. to report what I have found, but Shane's Investigator “Tee Barton” threatened me if I continue my work on this case, I would be in trouble! He told me "Did you see the news? We are prosecuting Yedidiyah, and that is all we are going to do" He told me there will not be any investigation into these murders, and I better not call The County Attorney's Office of Shane Deel ever again! Then he hung up on me! I have Witnesses, who are in danger of being murdered, and The State of Texas is not even interested in talking to them, and for two years this has been the case, but now things are becoming very critical, as Yisrayl Hawkins knows I am getting very close to completely exposing his evil. I now fear Yisrayl Hawkins will murder my people, but I am too close to stopping this mad-man to stop what I am doing. The reason the Law Enforcement are moving, is because they are being pushed into it. Please write more letters to The State of Texas, and Whitehouse with your concerns.
These things are All TRUE and Correct, and I beg The Heavenly Father Strike me dead if I lie about anything I have stated, before the sun sets today!!!

www.skipstanley.com
Yaaqov Pushiebaquarpathä Hawkins

Posted by yaaqovh on October 23, 2007 at 9:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

To be clear, in 1995 I was kicked out for presenting the truth of the Dead Sea Scrolls, but in 6/2004 I brought the information about the Father's name and the amount of salt on the sacrifice from the Dead Sea Scrolls, on the telephone to Yisrayl Hawkins. He published and copywrited in 11/2004 the information about the name and said he found the amount of salt to be used on your sacrifices. Ask Yisrayl Hawkins to show you where the salt on the sacrifices is written in the Dead Sea Scrolls. Have him show you, if he knows! I know he doesn't know, because I did not tell him exactly where it was written in the Dead Sea Scrolls, as I wanted him to search it out himself and study it. http://www.skipstanley.com/hoy.htm
Also, to be VERY clear-any parent who allows their children to be taught House of Yahweh beliefs, does not deserve to keep their children. I am pushing this to the Whitehouse, so expect trouble. When you were seven years old, do you recall being in a class that taught you about oral sex? How do you think that would have affected your character today? Please hoy members answer my questions.

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Yaaqov Pushiebaquarpathä Hawkins

Posted by Paradise_Lost on October 23, 2007 at 10:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I strongly feel the "Shoot em all" comment SHOULD be removed as it is definately a derogatory statement that has no redeeming value other than to promote hate in the form of a "hypothetical" scenario. I feel to allow this statement to remain IS irresponsible of the Reporter News to allow posted on a public forum such as this.
Furthermore, I feel it also does not follow within the agreement guidelines stated below i.e. "obscene" definition 2d from Websters 10 edition Collegiate Dictionary; "so excessive to be offensive" . I'm sorry to shift the focus here but, that comment is definately EXCESSIVE and extremely offensive to me. It is in my opinion in these days we need to STOP the message of hate (PERIOD) no matter how harmless a comment like this may seem. Therefore, I would like to thank Reporter News in advanced for doing their part in society for choosing to make this forum hate free environment.

Posted by mlt_rmt on October 23, 2007 at 10:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I had a friend of mine's daughter get brain washed by this group- they beat her up too. it took forever for her family to get her out...this group is still trying to get her back in their sect.

Posted by mlt_rmt on October 23, 2007 at 10:16 a.m. (Suggest removal)

did Jesus ever beat any one up??

Posted by mlt_rmt on October 23, 2007 at 10:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)

did Jesus ever try to force his opinions or ways on anyone or did he give us free will?? Did he ever harass the ones who chose another path??

Posted by Paradise_Lost on October 23, 2007 at 10:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)

If it matters. I'm not a member.

Posted by DB on October 23, 2007 at 10:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Hope he gets life without parole. And the lady that killed that girl should be right behind him... If it was you or I, that's where we would be. Hope the both rot in hell.

Posted by mlt_rmt on October 23, 2007 at 10:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)

another question-----does everyone in this sect have to change their last name??just curious

Posted by mlt_rmt on October 23, 2007 at 11:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I understand what you are trying to do Yaaqov. You made mention in one of your comments that you fear Yisrayl will murder your people-what does "my people" mean exactly?? I thought we were all Gods people not a mans or a prophets or a preachers or a leaders etc...

Posted by mlt_rmt on October 23, 2007 at 11:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I don't recall anyone having to change their names to whoever they were following at the time or give the apostles all their money in order to follow them.

Posted by yaaqovh on October 23, 2007 at 12:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Peace to All:

I have been corrected as to the spelling in my posts. According to the Abilene Reporter News, the name Corinna Metcalf, is spelled Karena Metcalf, in Lisa Metcalf's obituary.
http://obits.reporternews.com/content/30...

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Yaaqov Pushiebaquarpathä Hawkins

Posted by yaaqovh on October 23, 2007 at 12:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Peace to All:
The name change to Hawkins is not mandatory, but LOT's of peer pressure from other members. Originally, the reason for the name change, we were told, was to have it put on your passport in order to go to the Nation of Israel as a "family". Now,that idea is out the window and apparently Eula is the New Israel and where the temple is, which is why they have the fake ark up in front of their podium, with an actual silohette of Yisrayl Hawkins on each side of the ark, with the books HE writes and SELLS, inside of it.
The thing I really want to get stopped is these members are Auling/Piercing the ears of their new born babies into Yisrayl Hawkins door post, because hoy teaches this must be done in order to get salvation. The reality of the ear piercing makes these members Yisrayl Hawkins slaves. The Scriptures say be no man's servant, because we are bought with a price!

1Cr 6:20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify The Father in your body, and in your spirit, which are YHWH's.
1Cr 7:23 Ye are bought with a price; be not ye the servants of men.
Deu 15:11
For the poor shall never cease out of the land: therefore I command thee, saying, Thou shalt open thine hand wide unto thy brother, to thy poor, and to thy needy, in thy land.
Deu 15:12
[And] if thy brother, an Hebrew man, or an Hebrew woman, be sold unto thee, and serve thee six years; then in the seventh year thou shalt let him go free from thee.
Deu 15:13
And when thou sendest him out free from thee, thou shalt not let him go away empty:
Deu 15:14
Thou shalt furnish him liberally out of thy flock, and out of thy floor, and out of thy winepress: [of that] wherewith The Father hath blessed thee thou shalt give unto him.
Deu 15:15
And thou shalt remember that thou wast a bondman in the land of Egypt, and The Father redeemed thee: therefore I command thee this thing to day.
Deu 15:16
And it shall be, if he say unto thee, I will not go away from thee; because he loveth thee and thine house, because he is well with thee;
Deu 15:17
Then thou shalt take an aul, and thrust [it] through his ear unto the door, and he shall be thy servant forever. And also unto thy maidservant thou shalt do likewise.
Deu 15:18
It shall not seem hard unto thee, when thou sendest him away free from thee; for he hath been worth a double hired servant [to thee], in serving thee six years: and The Father shall bless thee in all that thou doest.

To be continued;

Posted by yaaqovh on October 23, 2007 at 12:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Continued:

Hoy Members these are The Fathers Words, and your leader is causing you to make Auled Slaves of your children!!! Please Wake-up, and question your Leaders intentions!!!

I really am begging the hoy members to get your Elders onto this site to defend their reputation, or will they hide from everyone like their leader has for 20 years? 1st Peter 3:15: "But sanctify The Creator in your hearts: and [be] ready always to [give] an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:" So, you have been asked the questions regarding your sexual practices, NOW ANSWER!!! Where are The House of Yahweh answers???
I am fighting for your children, because the life you are living is in vain, and the sunshine you are waiting for will soon turn to rain!

Love everyone, and make them your friend.

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Yaaqov Pushiebaquarpathä Hawkins

Posted by yaaqovh on October 23, 2007 at 12:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Peace to all:

The term "my people" is wrong! These are the Father's People. You are right, I am corrected.
I have some people inside hoy that work with me to stop Yisrayl Hawkins. Someone hacked into my email, and changed my password this week, and i think it was hoy. This has jeopardized some of the people helping me, and now these people are in trouble. This is a very serious job, and these member who are fearing a prison sentence if they get caught, have already murdered more than once, and will not hesitate to do it again. Especially after getting away with it so many times in the past.

Leaders are enpowered by the followers.

In the past the State of Texas feared Yisrayl Hawkins was the witness, but now this misunderstanding is no longer a problem. This is why Yisrayl Hawkins has had so much power. Because the people gave him his power, but now we take it away, and he will soon be alone in his iniquity, and The Father will bring freedom to His oppressed People.

Pray for the people in The House of Yahweh too see the Truth.

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Yaaqov Pushiebaquarpathä Hawkins

Posted by Pure_Light on October 23, 2007 at 2:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

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Posted by mlt_rmt on October 23, 2007 at 2:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

thank you for answering my questions.

Posted by RachylyahHawkins on October 23, 2007 at 3:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Dear Pure_Light:
John[yahachanan] 3:20: For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

John[yahahchanan] 3:21:But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in the heavenly Father.

It seems to me that yaaqov is trying to help the oppressed people in hoy and that he has proof for all of his statements. Everyone wants the real TRUTH of the matter, and NOT to cover it up. We should all have the freedom to state comments we have proof of. I've been a member of the hoy for over twelve years, I can also verify that what he has written IS true, not to mention all the information that is verified by the media: whether it be ktab or abilene reporter news. It is TIME for TRUTH! No more covering up of lies. Too many people have suffered because of lies! I also personally remember the children being lied to that there would be a school again soon for them at hoy, as a matter of fact last Sabbath they even had the audacity to state "summer work is over now, school will be starting monday" [for the fbi's benefit i am sure] Meanwhile there is NO school there to teach these children of whom many cannot even read or write. Sadly, I bet some children were excited about the announcement and probably asked their mom or dad, wow, is there really school Monday?--The parent's would probably not know what to say, as they would not be certain of it's truth or not. Not only does the Pastor and his upper eschilon LIE, they cause the members to have to lie in one way or another and quash the hopes of their own children. There is in fact, NO SCHOOL for these children that teach Reading, Writing, Arithmetic,Social Studies, though I know there is a class teaching oral sex to those as young as seven years old, and that is a fact.

Posted by 7chagith613 on October 23, 2007 at 3:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I see that a lot of fall aways have a lot to say but I will say this you can say what you want to say and believe what you want to believe because if you did'nt accept the truth when it was given to you what makes you think you will accept it now. I am not going to justify your ignorance because you are very bitter individuals and are looking for a platform to discredit the HOY w/ your false accusations. Three out of the 4 will fall away and you have fallen so hard you can't get up. Keep your theories and conjectures to yourself because you are doing Satan's job for her but it will come to an end very soon. Just like w/ Yahshua he was accused again and again and again. Like i said before did they want the truth. Of course not, i will not waste another letter on you because you are full of darkness and the is no truth in you. It says misery loves company and you seem to be very miserable and confused, maybe your computer has a short circuit or something. But there is help Yahweh's way. These people are so disgruntled they could'nt wait for something like this to occur smear the House anc cause other people to hate us w/o a cause. Everyone is a free will agent that make their own choices in life to either do right or wrong. The House of Yahweh are a peaceful people that teaches peace not hatred. But there are people who hate the HOY so much that they are making a choice to bring forth rumors gossip and accusations while putting innocent peoples lives in danger. Like it says in the scriptures they will accuse you w/o a cause. I know what the House of Yahweh stands for and it begins w/ Truth.

Posted by viet737 on October 23, 2007 at 5:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I am very surprised by the comments that's being posted by Yaaqov. You're stating that there are classes teaching oral sex and the so called 'eating of semens' are healthy. Why is it that when I listened to the House of Yahweh's sermons, every elders teaches us to abstain from sexual impurity and the sexual perversions of this world is what's causing a lot of the diseases to spread quicker than anyone can find a cure for. You said you have proof, please show me where this proof is taught.

You also states on your website that the House of Yahweh teaches people to eat unclean foods. If so, then why is there a booklet which teaches which foods are clean and unclean and why do they have a clean/unclean list? Please let me know where are you basing these information on.

Even though I'm not a baptized member of the House of Yahweh yet, I had been on their sermon tape list and Prophetic Words magazine for over a decade now and I had never once in any of their publications or sermons ever hear them preach what you're stating. About you stating that Yisrayl Hawkins will come after you if you leave, I recalled in his sermons that he states over and over again that you're free to walk out of there if you want to and he's not even going to try to call you back. If you leave, you leave on your own. I cannot see Yisrayl Hawkins ever harming anyone since that will great bother his conscience since his mind is built upon Yahweh's 613 laws.

After reading your website, it seems like you're very bitter about whatever reason made you leave the House of Yahweh. I knew of the House of Yahweh when I went to school with one of their members about 12 years ago. Being raised in a catholic family, I felt a certain warmness and truth in the teachings from the House of Yahweh that were never taught in any mass that I had ever attended. Never once did I ever hear any preaching of violence or mind control that you're mentioning. I can sense a person's sincerity by listening to them and I hear Yisrayl sometimes cries in his sermon on the way things are going in this world. He is very sincere on teaching only Yahweh's laws and nothing more and nothing less. When I listen to the materials that's being taught in the House of Yahweh, everything is backed up by scriptures or authoritative books.

I am not writing this to criticize you but just shocked by your continual postings on how you portrayed the House of Yahweh which is totally different than the feelings that I get when I listen to the teachings or talk with any of the elder.

Posted by RachylyahHawkins on October 23, 2007 at 5:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

First of all,7chagith613, the Mashiyach-whose name has the FULL name of his father in it..was NEVER ACCUSED OF CHILD MOLESTATION! HE WAS PERSECUTED FOR SPEAKING TRUTH AND FOR EXAMPLE OVERTHROWING THE MONEY-CHANGERS TABLES IN FRONT OF THE TEMPLE! YOU SHOULD BE FAMILIAR WITH THAT, SHOULDN'T YOU? THE HOY SELLS ON SABBATH,WHETHER IT BE BUFFALO PRINTED MONEY WITH YOUR BUFFALO GOD YISRAYL HAWKINS, OR PLEDGES, WHICH IS SPOKEN ABOUT IN THE DEAD SEA SCROLLS. OH, AND LET US NOT FORGET THE ABOMINABLE ARK IN FRONT OF THE PODIUM WITH A SILOHETTE OF YOUR GOD YISRAYL HAWKINS ON EACH SIDE AND THE BOOKS OF YISRAYL HE SELLS IN YOUR FAKE ARK OF "THE TESTIMONY"- YOU SHOW ME WHERE IN YOUR SCRIPTURES THAT THE TRUTH WAS EVER SOLD, EVER? AND LET US NOT FORGET TO MENTION THAT YISRAYL HAWKINS LIES AND STATES IN HIS PEACEFUL SOLUTION BOOK THAT HE IS A DOCTOR, AND HAD ALL OF US SPEECH CLASS MEMBERS GIVE SPEECHES IN WHICH WE LIED AND HAD TO LEAVE OUT OUR SPIRITUAL FACTS ON HOW WE CAME TO KNOW ABOUT HOY, AND JUST PRETEND WE HEARD OF "DOCTOR HAWKINS" AND HIS PEACEFUL SOLUTION PROGRAM! OH, YEAH I AM SURE THE HEAVENLY FATHER WAS WELL-PLEASED WITH THAT ONE-DENYING ONES'FAITH? NOT!!!!
I CAN ONLY PRAY YOU WILL SEE YOU ARE BRAINWASHED AND SADLY HAVE NOT EVEN PROVEN THE FATHERS NAME-YOU ONLY TAKE THE HOYS WORD FOR IT..THE ONLY THING THAT HAS BEEN PROVEN IS YAH. AND BY THE WAY THE SON HAS THE FULL NAME OF THE FATHER IN IT AS WELL..THE FULL NAME, NOT PART OF IT.
JOYFUL STUDYING TO YOU..I HONESTLY PRAY YOU WAKE UP!

Posted by yaaqovh on October 23, 2007 at 6:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Peace to All:

WOW! Where is my keyboard...

Unclean That is where I will start.

Hoy eats Beef for there passover lamb!!! WOW That's a lamb, or goat? The Dead Sea Scrolls explain these laws further, and until hoy understands the Dead Sea Scrolls I must stop their, but know there is more.

This is another very important point that today most everyone overlooks. We are Commanded to separate from the unclean, and protect our children. 99% of ALL my friends have their children sleeping with dogs, cats, or worse rabbits, and snakes. These are unclean to HWHY, and you are unclean if you touch the unclean animals. ALL my friends are suffering from disorders caused by Parasites. Some just feel like they are coming down with a cold every once in a while, and others have many problems like; Diabetes, liver disorders, obesity, mentally retarded children, etc... They all say we have had dogs, and cats for years, and have not died yet! These Parasites do not kill you, they just live inside you, eating, pooping, and having babies. These Parasites infect every part of your body, and cause miscarriage, and mentally retarded children! The more your children touch these animals the more infected they get. Did you know HWHY said no dogs, or cats could come into Yerushalayim, because the city was not to be defiled, and the dogs were to stay out side the city gates. This was one of the things spoken about in The Dead Sea Scrolls. In "The House of Yahweh" people are Commanded to ware masks, and rubber gloves in the sanctuary, because the threat of germs! Yet most all these people have their children sleeping with dogs, and cats!
Let me help you, because what you do not know WILL hurt you!
Toxoplasma gondii is smaller than a pin head, but very intelligent!

Description:
Toxoplasma gondii is a serious zoonotic parasite that can cause serious problems in unborn children and babies. Congenital infection occurs when tachyzoites are transmitted across the placenta from mother to child. This can cause severe problems, including: heart problems, hydrocephalus, retinochoroditis, and hepatosplenomegaly. 30 % to 40 % of adults in the U.S. have been exposed to Toxoplasma. Humans infected early in life may have recrudescent infections, which can lead to serious disease in immunosuppressed individuals. Acute infection may cause fever, enlarged lymph nodes, flu-like symptoms, and muscle aches and pains. Acute infections are usually acquired from ingestion of infected meat or from ingestion of oocysts.

http://www.skipstanley.com/the_unclean.h...

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Yaaqov Pushiebaquarpathä Hawkins

Posted by Paradise_Lost on October 23, 2007 at 6:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Skip please move on as you are NOT helping anyone here. Additionally, DO NOT USE proper names period. Do you think you can control yourself? Truthfully noone cares what you have to say. Additionally, you are misusing this forum to serve your OWN needs. Therefore, please stop or stay on topic.

Posted by Pure_Light on October 23, 2007 at 6:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

WELL SAID!!! Paradise_Lost. :)

Posted by viet737 on October 23, 2007 at 6:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hi Yaaqov,
Are you stating that Beef is unclean or that lamb is not being used at passover?

You states that 99 percent of your friends have their children sleeping with animals. After the stressing of keeping cleanliness by the elders in the House of Yahweh, I can't imagine any member sleeping with their animals. In one of the sermon, Yisrayl Hawkins also suggests that we use lye soaps to clean all of the bacterias and take off our shoes before entering our homes so that we won't tract all of the filth from outside in our homes. If he's going to this extent to stress cleanliness, then I don't see how he can teach us to eat unclean foods and sperms.

I'm still looking for your proofs where you states that the House of Yahweh teaches you to eat unclean foods and where they teach that 'eating sperms' are healthy. In some of the most recent sermons, I keep hearing Yisrayl Hawkins and the Elders teaching us to eat certain foods such as tumerics, spirulina, and other plants to build up our immune systems and also take the super foods to give us enery. I don't recall any of these plants being listed as unclean in the Book of Leviticus. About the parasites that you're mentioning, they also teach about those parasites getting into your innermost parts and causing all kind of confusions. And have you heard about the superbugs that CNN recently talked about? I recalled Yisrayl Hawkins talking about that for years.

Please don't take me the wrong way Yaaqov. I want to discuss this with you in peace and wants to see where you're basing all of your information from.

Posted by jamieg on October 23, 2007 at 7:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"Truthfully noone cares what you have to say."

I do.

Posted by jamieg on October 23, 2007 at 7:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"If one person goes astray you are saying that the whole community is responsible?"

If the community's values supported him doing it, yes.

Did Yededya Hawkins go astray Pure_Light?

"WHAT ABOUT THE SCRIPTURE IN:

1 THESSALONIANS 4:11-
MAKE IT YOUR AMBITION TO LEAD A QUIET LIFE, TO MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS!!!!!!"

Molesting children doesn't qualify for "mind your own business". Neither does murder.

Disgusting.

Posted by jamieg on October 23, 2007 at 8:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"If he's going to this extent to stress cleanliness, then I don't see how he can teach us to eat unclean foods and sperms."

Jimmy Swaggart spoke out against immorality. Jim Baker spoke out against greed. Cardinal Mahoney opposed homosexuality. Rush Limbaugh hated drug addicts. Do you believe everything you hear?

Posted by setfreebythetruth on October 23, 2007 at 8:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

To the HOY members:
READ the scripture, not the Book of Yahweh, search out the truth for yourself. You will see where you are being deceived.

To the Ex-HOY members: Praise our Heavenly Father that you learned whatever lesson you needed to learn in your life from this experience and move on. Thank Him for allowing your eyes to be opened and letting you find the TRUTH.

To the persons in the communities outside the HOY:
Share your knowledge as often as you can with the HOY. Maybe some of the truth will soak through.

A very kind person in Clyde, Texas shared her religious books with me over 12 years ago. I thank her from the bottom of my heart. I was at a yard sale in Clyde and I was a member of the HOY. I had my doubts about the TRUTH being taught at that time. I shared with this kind lady that I was seeking the TRUTH and looking for books to buy to prove what was being taught was wrong. She gave me every book she had on sale at the yard sale and then went inside and brought back more that she gave me. My finding the TRUTH came without a price.

Since then I have been set free from the bondage of a life that they profess to live in the HOY...a life of trying to keep laws that our Heavenly Father sent His Son to fulfill. Of course, they will tell you He didn't fulfill it. But when they do, they deny HE even came and died and shed His blood for us.

Our Heavenly Father loves us all, He wants us to love one another.

Please help these people that are so deceived. Pray for them. Offer help with information that may save them.

Posted by viet737 on October 23, 2007 at 8:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"Jimmy Swaggart spoke out against immorality. Jim Baker spoke out against greed. Cardinal Mahoney opposed homosexuality. Rush Limbaugh hated drug addicts. Do you believe everything you hear?"

All of these people with probably the exception of Cardinal Mahoney made big money with what they did. They all have big homes and fancy cars. From what I know, Yisrayl Hawkins lives in a trailer and drives an old beat up cadillac. If he's in this for the money, maybe he should teach what the mainstream wants to hear since he'll gain more members like the above folks does. With the amount of people that we hear leaving due to his teachings of 613 laws, it doesn't look like that leaves him with much money. Does any of above men stress the keeping of Yahweh's 613 laws? It appears that Yisrayl speaks as if he's afraid of being severely punished if he breaks any of the law which would force him to keep in line when he teaches since he knows that our Heavenly Father Yahweh is listening. I had never personally met Yisrayl Hawkins but just from his teachings and tone of voice when he teaches, it appears that he wants to only bring out the truth and accept any kind of mockings for trying to do so.

Please note that I'm speaking from an outsider's point of view since I'm not a baptized member but just a person who speaks from what I see and hear.

Posted by jamieg on October 23, 2007 at 8:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"If he's in this for the money, maybe he should teach what the mainstream wants to hear since he'll gain more members like the above folks does."

Maybe he wants something other than money. Power, multiple wives, recognition as a prophet maybe. Perhaps other things. Who knows?

"I had never personally met Yisrayl Hawkins but just from his teachings and tone of voice when he teaches, it appears that he wants to only bring out the truth and accept any kind of mockings for trying to do so."

I personally can't accurately judge honesty and motivation in strangers from recorded audio.

Posted by yaaqovh on October 23, 2007 at 8:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

People of hoy!!!

You can only answer this question if you have been inside the group long enough for the topic to be explained to you by an Elder. Ask an Elder if oral sex is ok, and if sperm is ok to swallow. I have had lots of arguments with Kepha Arcemont, Levi, Matt Stubbs, Shaul Schneider, Aniyah Bowler. These are the only Elders I have personally had this argument with, and They ALL told me the same thing: "There is no blood in sperm, and their wives can do this act." Next they tell me, "What do they do when their wives are bleeding?" Do you really think they would advertise this sickness?
NOW!!!! I have asked a question, as well as other people here...