These comments are from Reporter News in Abilene Texas.
http://www.reporternews.com/news/2007/oct/18/hawkins-arrested-on-sexual-assault-charge/#comments
Please post your comments at the forum below.
Because the comments at Reporter News been deleted. The HWHY/Yaaqovh forum will not be deleted.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/yaaqovh/
Hawkins arrested on sexual assault charge
A Callahan County man reported to be a member of the House of Yahweh religious sect remained in jail on $500,000 bail Thursday after his arrest Tuesday for the alleged sexual assault of his 14-year-old stepdaughter.
Abilene police arrested Yedidiyah Hawkins, 40, on a Callahan County warrant for the second-degree felony, which is punishable by two to 20 years in prison and a fine of up to $10,000.
Callahan County's investigation began with an anonymous report to the Texas Department of Family and Protective Services by former members of the Yahweh sect, called John Doe #1 and Jane Doe #2 in the arrest affidavit. CPS abuse reports often stay anonymous to protect informants, according to a TDFPS spokesman.
Both sources, who maintain close ties to the sect the affidavit said, had been told by current members of the House of Yahweh that Hawkins had molested the girl, whom he had begun preparing to marry.
From those reports, Child and Protective Services, a division of TDFPS, interviewed Hawkins' stepdaughter at the Abilene/Taylor County Child Advocacy Center. She "made outcries that she has been molested since she" was 8, the affidavit said. Hawkins most recently assaulted her in his bedroom around Oct. 4, the affidavit said.
When Hawkins came to pick up the girl Tuesday afternoon, Terriell Perkins, an investigator in the Abilene Police Department's youth division, arrested him, police said.
The House of Yahweh is an Old Testament-based religious group with headquarters with a compound of about 50 acres between Clyde and Eula in Callahan County, according to Reporter-News files. Bill Hawkins, a former Abilene policeman who left the department in 1977, founded the sect in 1980.
Hawkins later changed his name to "Yisrayl" Hawkins, and many members of the House of Yahweh have changed their last name to Hawkins and adopted an unusual spelling of their first name, usually incorporating at least one letter "y."
Yisrayl Hawkins' group has attracted media attention on several occasions. In July 2006, Abilene police investigated the death of a 1-month-old boy whose death and burial had not been reported to authorities. An autopsy later indicated that the child died of malnourishment and traumatic asphyxiation. No charges have been filed in the child's death.
Also, a sect member pleaded guilty to injury to a child by criminal negligence in October 2006 for performing surgery on her 7-year-old daughter, which authorities said led to her death.

Posted by Comeout_fromamong_them on November 8, 2007 at 2:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)
VI INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCE ON PEACE AND
NONVIOLENT ACTION ( VI ICPNA )
Theme : Challenge of Violence, Poverty and Hunger :
Evolving Sustainable Counter Measures
Dates : 23rd Dec to 25th Dec, 2007
Venue : Children’s Peace Palace – ANUVIBHA, Rajsamand near Udaipur (India)
ANUVRAT GLOBAL ORGANIZATION (ANUVIBHA)
(a transnational center for peace and nonviolent action associated
with the Department of Public Information of the United Nations)
E-mail : slgandhi@hotmail.com or anuvibha@sify.com Web : www.anuvibha.in
ANUVIBHA
Theme : Challenge of Violence, Poverty and Hunger :
Evolving Sustainable Counter Measures
Plenary Sessions
The following plenary sessions have been planned :
1. The Challenge of Violence and its Many Facets - Terrorism, Fanaticism and Affluence.
2. Is Religious Reconciliation Possible?
3. Millennium Development Goals (MDGs) – The Effective Ways to Achieve Them.
4. Nonviolence – The Only Way to Human Survival.
5. Nonviolence Education and Training – Models and Approaches.
6. The Problem of Poverty V/s Mahapragya’s Model of Nonviolence Oriented or
Nonviolence Relativist Economics (ahimsa sapeksha arthshastra)
7. Hunger – Can it be Really Combated?
8. The Role of Religion in fighting Poverty and Violence.
9. Anuvibha’s Balodaya Model of Education for creating Responsible Citizens of the Future.
In addition to these plenaries, there will be five workshops everyday. Those who want to
lead workshops on any area related to the theme of the conference are invited to make
proposals. In all there will be 15 workshops. Proposals for presenting Papers or leading
Workshops are invited.
The aspiring plenary speakers / presenters are requested to keep in mind the sub-themes
as listed above and must mention the title of the specific plenary session for which the proposal
is made. The last date for receiving the proposal for plenary presentations as well for workshops
is Nov. 5, 2007.
I do stand corrected, as there is a peace conference after all, by a Dr. S.L. Ghandhi, but Ghandhi is still not the president of India.
Remember I said if anyone finds this to correct me, but I found this and it is a real invitation but it it is too late to be a speaker since registration was to be in by November 5th.
Just wanted to clear this up. It runs from Dec 23rd to 25th.
Posted by Get_Real on November 8, 2007 at 2:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Chanah,
Are you saying that the mother knew about this taking place with her daughter and didnt do anything about it? If she knew, and she left, why didnt she take her children with her. Why did the Mother leave anyway? I am just tring to understand this whole thing. Being a member of the Hoy, i would never have conceived that Yedidiyah would do such a thing. I dont know him on a personal level (considering the men and women are seperated), but from his speaking, he is always talking against this sort of stuff. I truly feel that if all this was taking place, that Yahweh just said enough is enough....Father please help us here..
Posted by Healed on November 8, 2007 at 3:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Has anyone from the HOY been sick? Poisoned, heard of it?
Chanah, you dont take the childeren because we are taught that they are not our childeren not our property you know?
Healed.
Posted by Healed on November 8, 2007 at 3:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I have an email address. pinkflowers613@yahoo.com
if anyone wants to email me.
Shalome
Healed.
Posted by Eldergrimreaper on November 8, 2007 at 3:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Rachylyah & Skip I can see that you are still at it. I have not posted for three days to think about the both of you. I feel that you are still going to try and get the people from the house to believe the way you do. Rachylyah I feel bad for you that you have forgotten the understandings about the name of the father, Yahweh. Of all things I never thought you would give that up (Rev 3:8) I will pray for you. Rachylyah I know that you and Skip are trying to help, but for sure your not going to help anyone the way you are doing it.
Rachylyah I know that Yisrayl H. hurt you and took avantage of you, and your kind heart. this man is drunk with power, money, & women. At some of the Cohan meetings he would say to a few "use then up, and get rid of them" MEN OR WOMEN this is the way that he thinks and there will be no changing him.
What may be hard for you to belive is that Yisrayl is a very sick man and he was never of Yahweh. He was just a good con-man, power, money, women and in that order to. I know that this man thinks that he is G-d and i belive he is right. He has hurt so many families by lying about the bible. Truth and lies is the name of the game. Skip, please do not end up like Yisrayl if you are a messager or Malak. Stop trying to run over others, ok. Its what he did; looks like you are going down the same path. Rachylyah please do not step into snares for they are waiting for you, think about it.
Love you both, I'm always with you.
SAMSON GREAT TO SEE YOU OUT THERE I know who you are; I'm with you back row people. How is the red head? So sorry about his wife I will be watching for you guys,
GRIM REAPER
Posted by Freakinout on November 8, 2007 at 4:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I have read most of the post here "Skip"ping some that are so long and not really all that interesting. I am also "in" the HOY. I do feel now for the past 3 or 4 years that it has become the HOH. People have been saying that as long as I have been here, but this place really has taught me a lot. I don't remember who said they had taught them morals that they wouldn't have had if they had never been here and I agree. But they don't follow what they teach. They expect us to so they can keep us in line.
The sad part for me is that since I don't feel like the "higher ups" have to keep the law any more, we are not just the same as a "church" but worse. You can't help someone without permission from the office. You can't give a gift to your friend or they will feel "like they owe you". (Buffalo CRAP). We are not allowed to visit and develope close loving friendships any more and if there are any of those kinds of relationships here they are from a kind and loving past that have endured through this seperating of all people. It isn't just the men seperated from the women. NO VISITING means NO visiting.
If you visit someone, you get accused of gossip. Don't mention anyones name who isn't there or it is gossip.
I am beginning to think that the no visiting rule came up because people confide in one another and then the higher ups have to deal with the problem instead of being able to sweep it under the rug and ignore it. Forget investigating a matter. Most of the congregation is truly seeking to honor our Heavenly Father but the ones in charge got greedy for control.
They want us to go to them and let them (even though they are not schooled in business) make all of our life decisions. Most of them aren't qualified to make decisions for themselves but we are supposed to let them decide for us.
I love Yahweh's house of the past, but this place is a miserable, depressing and UNhonorable (people here will get that) place to be.
I hate when I hear people say there is no love here. That is a LIE. There is sooooo much love here we are just taught by a few in charge not to show it.
You can tell there are four sides in the HOY, and noone is mistaken about which side they are on. There are the YH is right no matter what. The YH right as long as he's not wrong. And the I disagree with YH so I have to change my mind to agree with him. The I'm sick of it where is Yahweh's will in this and why can't we just ALL keep the law. There are some like me who move back and forth from one group to the other but I mostly stay in the I'm sick and YH is right unless he's wrong groups.
Posted by Healed on November 8, 2007 at 4:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)
IM SO SORRY for everyone, im so so sorry for myself, I quit the tapes, cause I just cant take anything anymore,, its the control,,, CONTROL EQUALS WITCHCRAFT,,, This is not of our father YAHWEH,,, I tell you since I stopped I feel better and even though I get ridiculed for it, I dont care, cause its like IM not me any more, IM a Yisrayl Hawkins servent slave, I feel like a 2 year old, Well, anyways to those who understand, all I can say is get out of there, and know That YAHWEHS blessings are with you,, and take a step of real Faith, and know he is with you and dont Fear, cause FEAR is of the Devil its like paranoyah in there I tell ya, its hes hiding all the sins and we cant talk to each other cause we just might find out something and since there are tons of men and hardly any women they probably fight over whos the next young girl and whos going to get her first.. trust me i know .. anyways,, please for the love of yahweh,,, just get away and stregnthen yourselfs, put earplugs in for a while to strenghthen you spirit so you can muster up the strength to get OUT. Some of us girls inside need to work together.. if you can find out who they are and get out of there lOL... ok im sooo sorry but I LOVE YOU ALL SOOO MUCH and My heart is just aching with all that is done to us,, we trying to be rightous and end up being betrayed,, his blessing is with us and it will be so much better when we leave I just know it... go with your heart spirit of truth,,, womens intuition that YAHWEH blessed us mothers women with... gut instict.. like we have with our childeren and just leap with faith... If there is a will there is a way..
love you all soo sooo much...
may our father Yahweh bless each and every one here and guard and protect and strenghthen each one..
YAHWEH BLESS..
healed
Posted by Noteveragain on November 8, 2007 at 5:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I spoke to someone here last night but I don't want to say your name. We e-mailed back and forth and I need you to write to me at preciousandfewww @ yahoo.com
Posted by cromeensb on November 8, 2007 at 6:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Editor's note:
several more comments have been removed for the following reasons:
unsubstantiated allegations against individuals
naming of names that makes it possible for victims to be identified
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Abilene Reporter-News
Posted by Noteveragain on November 8, 2007 at 6:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Healed,
There is nothing to be sorry about. YOu are setting yourself free and just never look back!!! Keep the faith and stay strong! If you are being persecuted in the home maybe you need to remove yourself from that situation. Don't let anyone take your crown! You are a very precious jewel and Yahweh loves you very much and he loves all of his people that are wanting to please him.
Yahweh's people are not robots and we have a right to think for ourselves and have feelings which are natural to have. Yah bless!
Posted by Noteveragain on November 8, 2007 at 6:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)
NH,
Will write back later time to fly away. hehe...
Posted by realnadz on November 8, 2007 at 6:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)
This is probably too late in the thread to be meaningful, but here goes.
The Abilene Police Department had very little to do with shaping Buffalo Bill Hawkins into Yisrayl Hawkins. He never adapted to being a respectable police officer. It was the $50 Dale Carnegie course he took while speaking to the residents of his dilapidated trailer park on South Treadaway that lead to the "outcast charismatic appeal" with his followers.
Think about the time frame of Bill Hawkin's unsuccesful stint with APD. This was during the waning years of the Viet Nam conflict. Weldon Eugene "Buff" Hackney had come and gone from the department, too. A large portion of the single, healthy male population had gone off to war and were serving their country, or else "satisfying their obilagtion" at Harvard, Yale, or in Canada and England. It is similar to the situation APD now faces with a shortage of qualified applicants. The ones who made a successful career out of it went through the same training as everyone else, but they were dedicated to serving the community over serving themselves.
Bill Hawkins could also be called an "adulterer from Oklahoma" since he never legally divorced his first wife, or his common-law wife in Oklahoma, before "marrying" Kay Hawkins.
People change over time, but I am one of the doubters that a beer-swilling rockabilly musician could become the authority on continuously re-writing what he considers his "bible" - with all of the scholarly people in the world who disagree with even the basic premises of his teachings.
Posted by Get_Real on November 8, 2007 at 6:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Eldergrimreaper,
Are you currently in the House? or are you considered a fall-away?
Posted by Yaaqov on November 8, 2007 at 7:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Shalom Healed and FreakinOut and Elder Grim Reaper:
I need to find answers to many questions. I “believe” (Blank) has been actively poisoning people inside the hoh that are either not productive, disruptive, or have information that could damage yh. I am finding lots of people dying from unknown causes, and just as many shot with a gun. I cannot get the investigation of ANY of these deaths, and I think I understand why. The (Blank) was told by someone very high up to not get involved in this group long ago, 15 years or more. They first just did not want to get involved into another Waco. About 5 years ago The (Blank) found out information that (Blank) was doing some very evil things, and have proof, but did not have a plan to stop the situation. Then 2 years ago when I found out the evil that (Blank) has done, I went to these Law Enforcement people wanting to get involved in helping. The State was unsure what to do, and continued to stay out of the situation. Today I am writing letters to everyone in the Whitehouse, and this is stirred up trouble for the (Blank), but the big picture of what yh is really doing is still being uncovered. With the information open to the public, the (Blank) MUST take action to stop information from getting out. That was the whole reason for my website. I have a page I need you to read about the deaths I am investigating.
http://www.skipstanley.com/killings.htm
Why do you ask about the poisoning, and sickness?
Have you read the chapters on my Truth page?
Do you believe yh is wrong in what he teaches, or are you unsure?
Can I ask you personal questions, or are you wanting to keep your identity secret?
Do you need any immediate help?
Will you please stay inside the group just as The Grim Reaper is doing, to help others, and find information to correct my website?
My website is the work of everyone. I am receiving more emails from people everyday who are helping, and we need more help. I will publish the information, but I need your help finding it. Please do not think I want to be another yh! I DO NOT!!!!! I have been hurting very, very, very badly for sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo mmmmmmmmmmmmaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy years. I cry daily, I feel the pain and crying these people are suffering from, and I am horrified by what I am finding……. So MUCH HORROR I AM SICK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I AM HUNTING YISRAYL HAWKINS WITH A VENGEANCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I DID NOT START THIS JOB THIS WAY, BECAUSE I LOVED YISRAYL HAWKINS, AND CALLED HIM MY DAD ONCE TO HIS FACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! VENGANCE IS ALL I SEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOW!!!
continued.
Posted by Yaaqov on November 8, 2007 at 7:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)
continued:
I am so troubled I can not see straight! I do not plan to sleep, until I GET YISRAYL HAWKINS ARRESTED, as I may be angry, I will do everything lawful. I do not plan to go to jail for his evil, so I am the special private investigator The State of TEXAS needs. I am under paid, and over worked; I have lost every thing I own chasing this investigation, and trying to help my old friends trapped in this deception, and ALL these people need a Leader in person with stronger Faith than their own. When I was ex-communicated from reading The Dead Sea Scrolls I knew there was an evil problem that would take me to solve. I knew 14 years ago to stop this group, would take a stronger truth than the one being taught. I knew I would find Elders involved in child rape, because I disagreed, and that was another one big reason I was ex-communicated, but I did not know I would find MURDER!
I would like to be your friend, and I really need your help. I know I am just a little strange, because I have beliefs that many people do not understand, but for the most part I share the House of Yahweh doctrine, and I do not want to push my religion on anyone. I only want my friends to study the Scriptures with a heart looking for more understanding. I also need your opinions about everything I believe, because I am only me, and I have been very busy, building homes, building spaceships, leaping tall buildings, and trying to fly once in a while, chasing criminals. I really do not have time to study, as much as I would like to. I do not want to control anyone, as I have been accused of doing. My purpose in all this life is to bring the injustice these Elders are doing to the widows, and orphans to a stop, and bring freedom of choice to the people. I tried very hard to prove yh is a false prophet on my website. I also have collected a large number of Scriptures from The Dead Sea Scrolls and The Lost Books on my website: www.skipstanley.com
I would like your opinion of two Books: The Shepard of Hermas, and The Testaments of The Twelve Patriarchs.
http://www.skipstanley.com/hermas.htm
http://www.skipstanley.com/12patriarchs....
Please forgive me if I have offended anyone, as I really am not in my element chasing crooks, while I am being chased by every one of my friends. My family, friends, and every church tell me to stop trying to help these people, and go on with life. I have trained many people to go into hoh, and some are baptized members working with the FBI as an informant right under Yisrayl Hawkins Nose! Now I must beg you if you are inside hoy DO NOT LEAVE! Form small groups, and help find information, while protecting your family members you cannot get to leave.
Peace
Yaaqov Hawkins
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Posted by Yaaqov on November 8, 2007 at 7:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)
continued:
My life is TOO MUCH, I have PLENTY of STRESS! When I came to Abilene I was looking for The Heavenly Father, and Love, but what I have found is MURDER, and oppression. Now I am working 24 hours a day 7 days a week, cannot, and have not worked for money in two years, as I must train spies, and chase information trying to solve my friend’s murder, and stop the child abuse in The House of Yahweh. I am broke, thrown out of most churches, I don’t eat well, and my mother is working with Yisrayl Hawkins stealing everything I own, trying to stop me from continuing this investigation. I have lost about $3,000,000 last year because of Yisrayl Hawkins, and my Mother hired (Superman, Buffalo, and Nate) to steal it from my home. It is almost like these people were sticking it into my FACE! I have nothing to lose, but my life, because Yisrayl Hawkins has already taken everything else!
Do I have a right to have a little anger? I may be deceived by thinking I am The WITNESS, but what do I have to lose. If I do as EVERYONE ELSE HAS DONE there will never be a witness, and the State of Texas, or The Heavenly Father will not destroy a city without Two Witnesses. I feel like everyone is against me for doing my job.
My apologies to the State for being so Pushie, or as the FBI says “a big mouth” I am not very great at this detective spy work.
My apologies to my friends, for being Pushie, as I am under lots of pressure.
I pray we become friends, and The Heavenly Father will bless you with understanding, and health.
Peace
Yaaqov Hawkins
Posted by Freakinout on November 8, 2007 at 7:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Healed,
I am sorry too. Sorry that the wonderful thing that the HOY used to be has been taken over by a bunch of control freaks. This place will either change and up hold the laws they teach or even the hardcore followers will leave, eventually. I know because I WAS ONE.
I feel like the right thing to do now would be to leave because I don't agree with the way things are run around here, that makes me a "whitewashed" sepulchre, at this place, but am still hoping for repentance, because this place used to really be awesome.
Once upon time, the HOY had a wonderful message. Even then it made backhanded hateful comments about other religions. I have also aways found that offensive. We are expected to find it funny and applaud. (eyes rolling).
Posted by samdman on November 8, 2007 at 7:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)
TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE STILL INSIDE THE HOY:
I am writing to you in the hopes of letting you know that we, the people outside the hoy, are here to lend a helping hand. We are not the monsters or unclean people that the hoy made us to be. I for one being an ex member of the hoy knows exactly how hurt and scared you are at this point. For we have all been there and felt the same exact thing. I know that the #1 question that comes to your mind is, can we really trust these people in helping us? And my answer to that is found in the very scriptures that you trust. To me the greatest example of love and compassion in the bible is the parable of the 'Good Samaritan'. For that shows the true nature of how you should judge a person, it does not matter who or what people consider you to be, it is your actions that will define you as a person. I mean look at that story, who did the righteous act? Was it the priest, who according to the torah is righteous and clean? Is it the levite who again is describe the same thing in the torah? Or was it the one who according to the scriptures is an unclean person? Same principle goes here. Since you personally know for a fact that the people inside the hoy, who you consider are your own brethren will rather 'rat' you out to the elders than actually lend you a helping hand. I know that your confidence in others have been shattered and it is very difficult for you to trust people. But dont you see? That is exactly where the evil leaders of the hoy wants you to feel. To feel miserable, hurt and confuse. The only way for any of you to get out of your miserable lives right now is to grow the courage to better yourself. I am saying that not as an insult to anyone of you but as a fact that I personally experience myself. No amount of help will benefit you if you do not have the courage to accept it. So take that first step and do let us the people who are out here to help you in your time of need. For there is more to life than waiting for the whole world to end.
Also for those of you who knows me and knows my family, please, please, please I beg you with all my heart, do watch over them for me. As you know they are still in the hoy and is part of buffalo bills family.
I will be down there in Abilene this weekend. So if anyone of you who would like to come out and hang out or just to say hi, please let me know.
At this point my cell phone is currently not available. So feel free to contact me on my email: ghettomoe33@yahoo.com or view my profile in myspace: myspace.com/sam_d_man
Samson
Posted by orland on November 8, 2007 at 7:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)
you want to hear something pathetic follow this link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFldfRWAn...
Posted by orland on November 8, 2007 at 7:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)
there other links on this utube page
Posted by Healed on November 8, 2007 at 7:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Freakinout,
You know I had to be very bold to say that. Im very joyful to see I am not the only one, if I could only share the most evil words said to me daily about that. I just dont understand either why its so funny cause to me its soooo evil..
healed
Posted by texasboy_1018 on November 8, 2007 at 8:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)
You know the statement that the world is messed up is true but anyplace who cuts of the world to themselves and twist any part of the bible whether it is truth or fiction is as place to be wherry of in the first place. you say no meat then you open a butchery.. everything you cut off you then sell to me not only is that a scam it a sin and a crime. to all whom justice seeks in time it will prevail... if you trust in a man who write a book called by his name to teach you of salvation only is trying to exult himself. when you miss place your faith you loose everything.. i say its time for th justice so let it be served save the people who are lost and punish the wicked.....
Posted by Comeout_fromamong_them on November 8, 2007 at 8:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Healed,
Who is talking to you in an evil way? Tell them to get a life. And you have yours. :) Pray for those who hate you and spitefully use you. It gets them everytime. Welcome to the love of YHWH, the real love of YHWH. {{{{{{Healed}}}}}}
osted by justicein2008 on November 8, 2007 at 9:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)
SETTING THE RECORD STRAIGHT: CURRENT MEMBER OF HOY. I have been in the HOY for a very long time. When I first read the books Yisrayl Hawkins wrote, I was dumbfounded, to say the least. I read the pamplets and books and I knew Yahweh had inspired Yisrayl! For instance, halleluyahWEH! Hebrew hallĕlūyāh means praise Yahweh. I thought who'd of thought! The name Book of Yahweh, Isaiah 34:16 says "Search out the Book of Yahweh and read." Yisrayl put in Yahweh's name instead of the KJV saying, "search out the book of the lord and read."
The Deceptions Concerning Yahweh's Calendar of Events blew me away! Just the knowledge alone in that book!
There there is Deut. 28: where it talks about the Nuclear War! The colors of red, blue, yellow. etc! Yahweh was talking about nuclear war! and in the Old Testament! WOW! Got me to listening.............
Then there was the Go to the place where I choose to Place MY Name, and there you MUST Go! That is Ex. 20:24; Deut. 12:11; Deut. 26:2, to name a few.
So, I knew I had to come to Abilene, to the HOY for the feasts, AS YAHWEH TOLD ME TO. (no not voices, but when I read the BOY, I could see Yahweh saying, "there you must come, three times a year, to the Place where I establish MY NAME.!"
TO BE CONTINUED........
Posted by justicein2008 on November 8, 2007 at 9:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)
To the people of Abilene and surrounding Clyde, Eula, etc. we, in the HOY are kind people. (FOR THE MOST PART).
I don't have children but for those who do who live on the grounds, I can tell you that they are most loved children! They are not being abused. Most are VERY VERY BRIGHT AND VERY SMART! They have loving mothers who have home schooled them. The parents are like most parents, wanting the best for their children. Wanting to insure they are not hurting, parents wanting to give them joy and see that all their needs and wants are met.
What Kohan Yedidiyah did is VERY WRONG. But is not right to say that every child here in the HOY is being abused or harmed. I know and have seen the love of the children by their mothers and fathers.
I have been reading here people saying we are going to be raided and that we best take the children out or they will go to foster care. Let me set the record straight! These children are not being abused or mistreated!
TO BE CONTINUED...........
Posted by justicein2008 on November 8, 2007 at 9:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)
What I have heard is that the children have been working instead of attending school. I don't know who these children might be, but I am sure there were some who were maybe working....I have no knowledge of this so I cannot comment on that. What I do know for a FACT is that there were children being homeschooled every day by their mother(s) who lived on the grounds. So, not all the children were working. I personally see nothing wrong with childen learning skills or agriculture.
However, I too agree that children should be children and that they should be learning math, science, reading, writing, English, etc. whether by diligent mothers at home, or by attending school whether public or private. If some children in HOY were working all day, SHAME ON YOU ADULTS! SHAME SHAME SHAME!
I remember once when I was a teenager, I had a job and my relative said why should you be working when you will be working your whole entire adult life! I said I was in high school, I wanted some money to buy clothes, etc. so I continued to work. But I was not eight, nine or ten, etc. I was not made to work!!!!!!
Let the precious children be children! Yes, let them read the scriptures, let them do bible studies, but yes, let them have play time too.
Oh, PLAY TIME, YES PLAY TIME! IT IS NOT A BAD WORD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TO BE CONTINUED..............
Posted by justicein2008 on November 8, 2007 at 9:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)
We don't need the state to come in and remove these children. In fact, come see for yourself! We have nothing to hide. These children are precious to us as your own children are to you.
What the Kohan did, to his step-daughter is uncalled for in the HOY! I believe in NOT covering up sins! If there is a child victim and an adult commiting these acts on a child, He is the abuser not the poor child who had to endure for all these years!
I for one am sick at heart these days. I read those books our Pastor wrote and I know Yahweh was guiding his writings. None of us would have come here had it not been for pastor taking his calling to heart.
It saddens me because I have seen over the years, how Pastor can be hateful to even those in the HOY. I have seen it with my own eyes. I often wondered why does he get away with it, when the scriptures tell us not to have strife or hatred towards any brother or sister in the HOY. We are taught not to hate! I saw his anger at some.
I saw how he never investigated a thing thoroughly. I saw how his kohans and kohannahs in authority never investigated a thing. Pastor believed what was first told to him.
I saw how they gossiped. Yes, those kohans and kohannahs gossipped in the name of "we need to know this, to help them! They did not want to help! They only wanted to find out the details and then sit around together in their homes and gossip about others!
I have been there and seen it!
Yes, we in the HOY have seen a lot! But we do not want to leave, we just want to be able to attend services with joy! There I said it ---with JOY! We in the HOY, we love our CREATOR, whose NAME is YAHWEH and there is NON ELSE beside HIM. WE believe HIS name is YAHWEH and that is what we choose to call our CREATOR. As one calls their creator GOD, we call our CREATOR Yahweh! WE love HIS name!
Posted by widowed_and_fatherless on November 8, 2007 at 9:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)
YH believes "Play" is a bad word, you would know that if you were at feast. Throw away the toys, burn the toys, remember? Toys are childrens tools. That is how they work.
As far as work goes, my grandchildren worked 8-12 hours a day and there was no schooling. When thier parents, Yed, could not pay the tuition school ended. He worked full time for YH, but no care for the children. The oldest was in 3rd grade. That is the extent of her education and now she is a ninth grade age. The other two did K and 1st grade. They are 5th and 6th and they are literally lost in school! The girls wrote letters to YH begging him to let them go to school and the letters went ignored. It is Shameful, Absolutely Shameful. Then they cheer for the priest and priestess who enter the sanctuary. Why when the slaves children go without? Well, no more! They will have a life, and they will do well, once I can get them out of the hands of the gov. The only reason they are there is because of Yed. No other reason!
Posted by justicein2008 on November 8, 2007 at 9:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I for one, would like to have Pastor give sermons like he used to....let me tell you what I mean. He would be flipping his fingers though the BOY, saying, "hold your place there, but go here, now go there, but hold it, we will come back there." REMEMBER That??????????? We were actually reading and studying the scriptures! I miss those days! I would be flipping through my BOY and keeping up too! Yes, we were learning then.
Then, I know the reason Pastor got into health. He knows trib is coming one day and he wants us to be healthy so we won't die. He is trying to build up our immune systems.
That is great, but I believe we have the picture now! WE NEED TO BUILD UP OUR IMMUNE SYSTEM!!!! I GOT IT PASTOR! BE A PASTOR AND NOT A PESTER!!!HA HA BUT IT RHYMES! HA
So, we can go to the store, the general store if we want herbs or immune builders. Let's stop, STOP having sermons on health and diseases!!!! I for one am sick of it!!!!! SICK of hearing about disease and immune products!!!!
Why not have a table in sanctuary or the general store of new products or new diseases on a bulletin board, or something and if we want information, we will go there and get it.
Pastor, what we want is to learn the scriptures! You know it is frustrating, FRUSTRATING! FOR YOU to get up there on the pulpit and start telling us about disease, this one new, etc. and about this or that health etc. for the entire sermon and then you say, oh, look at the time, I am out of time! and then you try to bring us scriptures in 10 minutes! WE DON'T LIKE THAT!!! YOU GOT IT BACKWARDS!!!!!
I have heard also that people talk about what is on their minds.
Posted by Chanah on November 8, 2007 at 10:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)
justicein2008, PLEASE GET REAL. These children are mentally abused. The children are not being taught like their should be and they do work all day in the kitchen. There is one mother right now who has either 7 or 8 and she works a full time job in Abilene and her kids are dropped off to work over there in the mornings. The children are not developed educationally like they should. I agree these children are not physically abused, but abused is not all physical. I personally know children who were taken out of school and the only place left was for them to go work on the grounds. Maybe the only children who are being truly homeschooled are YH's children, everyone else has to work. Another young lady refuses to work in the general store or anywhere with the HOY because she was told that while she worked her 3 year old can also work alongside here. As a child, my mom taught me chores around the home, but I also had an education along with household chores. Please don't try to sugar-coat what is going on. Those of us, who speak out against this, are those of us, who knows exactly what's going on, we are not making this up or speaking from hearsay.
Posted by justicein2008 on November 8, 2007 at 10:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)
to widowed_and_fatherless
I praise Yahweh these children have you as a grandmother! I praise Yahweh you believe your granddaughter and that you see the Kohan Yedidiyah as the evil beast he is.
I am saddened that your granddaughter was mistreated, so very sorry! I believe Yahshua (world calls him Jesus, sorry but we call him Yahshua, his Hebrew name)is glad that your granddaughter is now safe from her step-father.
Yes, blame him yes, as he did the act, but I believe Pastor should have stopped it long ago. I for one do not believe that Pastor believed her. I believe he does not want to know the truth, that he then tends to discredit her in order to side with Yedidiyah because he has said he has great love for him. Pastor should NOT be siding with him. How can he side against a child in the HOY who cried out numerous times and no one helped her as the higher ups, kohans and judges, who do know of her crying out, tell her she is a liar?
Yahweh HATES SIN! Sin is the breaking of HIS laws. HIS laws are to be kept! Yahweh is no respecter of persons either!
This is the anger I have as I want to be strong and I heard a sermon today where he said if you come against me (Pastor) you come against Yahweh.
But I have been here so long, that I can see the deception and there are some truths that I just know and see Pastor covering up! UGGGGGGGGGG
Posted by justicein2008 on November 8, 2007 at 10:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Chanah
I am not sugar coating anything. I for one, said above and I will repaste it here,
What I have heard is that the children have been working instead of attending school. I don't know who these children might be, but I am sure there were some who were maybe working....I have no knowledge of this so I cannot comment on that. What I do know for a FACT is that there were children being homeschooled every day by their mother(s) who lived on the grounds. So, not all the children were working. I personally see nothing wrong with childen learning skills or agriculture.
However, I too agree that children should be children and that they should be learning math, science, reading, writing, English, etc. whether by diligent mothers at home, or by attending school whether public or private. If some children in HOY were working all day, SHAME ON YOU ADULTS! SHAME SHAME SHAME!
I am not sugar coating anything. I said maybe there are some. I am not down there every week so I said I don't know. I then said if there were children working, shame shame on the adults. However, I know for a fact that these children are loved! Stop insinuating they are not loved!! I have no idea what pastor's children are doing either. I just know a lot of the parents on the grounds and I know they are looking out for their children and love them!
You are making the world think that the HOY is an evil hateful place. Yes there is a lot of misuse at the top and it needs fixing! But don't try to make it sound like the parents mistreat their children all day long! But I for one, and I know you too, are hoping that the children will be having more time to PLAY, yes play! Yahweh even says that the lamb will lie down by the wolf and the child will be playing by the snake or something to that effect. So I believe in children being children and playing and enjoying themselves and singing!
Posted by Comeout_fromamong_them on November 8, 2007 at 10:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)
The grandmother was a member for 18 years and now that YH has degraded the child and uplifted Chester, she is no longer welcome in the HOH. She is on her own trying to fight the state of TX to get her children out of there. No help from the guy who drives the SUV or lives in a Mansion. She wouldn't want it now anyway. YHWH will bring her through and get those children home. The women shun her, except for an elite few, and if anyone is seen talking to her, they are reported to the Kohanahs. If you can help in the fight of their lives email her at natsaryah@yahoo.com.. Every little bit will help.
P.S. it was said by a Kohan that the money would only be wasted to pay an attorney. Are helping these children considered a waste..??? I mean comeon, it is just their lives. Right, I mean is that a waste??
Posted by texasboy_1018 on November 8, 2007 at 10:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)
all i have to say is if your doing nothing wrong then why do continue to defend so adamantly. words mean nothing actions prove all
Posted by kepowe on November 8, 2007 at 10:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)
justicein2008,
I, for one, care very much about the people at hoy. Where I work, I come in contact with them almost daily. The ones I have met are kind, gentle, loving people. And the children! They are some of the most well behaved, polite children I have ever seen!
It's not the people! It's the leadership! Mr. Hawkins is NOT a Jew...he is NOT "The Witness" from Revelation! He's just a man. A con man. A deceiver.
The people have to know the truth about him! Don't take our word for it! Research! Do a background check. Talk to his family in Oklahoma.
I wish harm to no-one. But anyone who would do ANYTHING to hurt a child, deserves what he gets. Same goes for whoever helped to cover it up. Men or women! It breaks my heart to see these people hurting this way. I almost feel sorry for yh though...when everyone finally realizes that he isn't who he "claims" to be. I wouldn't want to be in his shoes, that's for sure.
Posted by justicein2008 on November 8, 2007 at 10:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Well, I personally know that not all the mothers in the HOY are having to work in the kitchen, store, etc. It is a full time job to be a mother! A mother is guiding her children to have morals, to love Yahweh, to keep house, to learn to cook, clean and do laundry and to play. A mother is there to guide and oversee. Yes, I agree that if a mother does not have to work outside the home, then her JOB is to raise her children. If that is what she chooses to do, stay home with them. Children are our future! We have to raise our children to love the creator. My mother gave me a KJV bible as a child. In fact, I had three or four given to me. I wore them out. My mother talked to me about Yahweh as a child. Though she called him God, I did not know to call him Yahweh then. But I learned to love to serve my creator and not just to live for me.
So a mother is necessary. Maybe if you talked to those mothers, Chanah, and let them know that they can stay home and take care of their children. They don't have to work in the kitchen and take their three year old with them.
I would not if it were me. I would stay at home and take care of them and teach them myself.
Posted by Comeout_fromamong_them on November 8, 2007 at 10:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)
You must live out of town Justice. Very few mothers are at home teaching their own children. Since YH called the 'summer work program' over after say 5 years, all mothers have been called into the work to teach school on the HOH grounds. You really can't speak for the women, since they are separate from the men. The men don't know what the women have been going through. It is too sad most of the time, frustrated mothers with too many children and not much help. The mothers are not allowed to help each other. The hardest job a woman will ever do is be a mother. but of course it has it's rewards :)
Posted by Chanah on November 8, 2007 at 10:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Comeout_fromamong_them - that just discredit any claims that there is so much love among them. The grandmother and her children were loved when she played by their game. I hope natsaryah's other daughter had to good sense to get the hell out also.
Helping a family in need is never a waste, no matter the situation..
Posted by Get_Real on November 8, 2007 at 10:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Chanah,
Are you in the Hoy? If not how do you know everything that is going on. The mothers here love their children and want the best for them. I know of many children that go to public school. Don't make it sound like all the children are not able to get an education. I agree there are some children that are not getting educated, and that is wrong...I know several mothers that home school their children and their children were reading at 2. Ya! imagine that. And no they are not in Yisrayl's family...Just because some people do certain things, doesn't mean everyone does it.
Posted by samdman on November 8, 2007 at 10:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)
To Justice2008:
It's great to know that there are those of you that are still inside who take courage and admit the evil that you do see that is going on inside there. And I do agree with you as far as keeping the family together and not allowing the children, if they truely are being treated right by their own parents, to not be place in foster care. However, for those children who might be suffering, that can't cry for help out of fear, how are they suppose to get justice if there is no official investigation done? If what you say is true:
Posted by justicein2008 on November 8, 2007 at 9:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)
To the people of Abilene and surrounding Clyde, Eula, etc. we, in the HOY are kind people. (FOR THE MOST PART).
I don't have children but for those who do who live on the grounds, I can tell you that they are most loved children! They are not being abused. Most are VERY VERY BRIGHT AND VERY SMART! They have loving mothers who have home schooled them. The parents are like most parents, wanting the best for their children. Wanting to insure they are not hurting, parents wanting to give them joy and see that all their needs and wants are met.
This was a direct quote from you by the way, then why not do a voluntary thing for CPS to investigate their children. I mean if the parents there have nothing to hide, they have nothing to hide. I understand that the last thing this whole thing needs is turn into a witch hunt, but how else are we suppose to get help to the children that might be suffering because of you guys belief? Here's another suggestion, IF ANY OF YOU PEOPLE THERE INSIDE THE HOY KNOW'S SOMETHING WRONG THAT SOMEONE IS DOING TO A CHILD, THEN FOR CRYING OUT LOUD, STAND UP FOR THE HELPLESS AND HAVE COURAGE TO DO THE RIGHT THING BY REPORTING IT TO THE PROPER AUTHORITIES!
What saddens my heart is the possibility of any of you people inside there that has prior knowledge of this evil deed of Yedidiyah towards his own daughter/stepdaughter whatever, and not say anything. Because why? It's a sin to betray your own brethren in the faith? I mean this child said she was being abuse since she was 8!!!!!!!!! GEEEZ!!!! I am so ticked off right now just thinking about it. How can that evil deed persisted that long??????? How?????? The best way to prevent you guys fear of getting 'raided' is for those people who does know something better voluntarily come out and say something to the proper authorities.... NOW! Or else the possibility of this whole thing turning into a witch hunt is very high indeed.
Posted by justicein2008 on November 8, 2007 at 10:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)
see that is what i am saying. I saw the knowledge and no man could have come to the knowledge that pastor wrote of himself. Those booklets and books made a believer out of me!! I do believe the HOY is what Yahweh is saying to come to three times a year, to the feast. To the place where Yahweh established HIS name. House of Yahweh. But as I said, I have been here a long time and can see how pastor has lied and manipulated and covered up sin. So that is my delimma! We have been taught to endure, to ENDURE to the end! Great reward to those who endure. Someone said that they did not know that the scoffers would be those in the HOY!
Years ago, when I first became a member and would come to the feasts, I learned of some strife and bickering among the called out ones. I thought, huh, why is this occuring WITHIN the HOY? Then I thought, well put it this way, if the HOY had been placed in beautiful Hawaii by the beach, maybe more folks would want to be in the HOY then and stay and abide. Well, but no, HOY placed in stickerville city! Dusty, ole Abilene, TX! You gotta have great love for YAHWEH to stick around here and be stuck with stickers! Praise Yahweh for Kohan Banayah! (he is our sticker picker upper) So, that got me to thinking well yes, there has to be bickering and problems within the HOY or everyone would want to stay here and abide here in this lovely, wonderful, no pain, place. Yes Yahweh has to test us, to see if we love him.
I guess I am thinking about King David, when he sinned. How many fell away then saying why would Yahweh put an adulterer as King and over the HOY? Same thing here. Also think about the wisest man, King Solomon. He became blinded by his love of women and allowed pagan worship and idols in the HOY! I have to look at it as that. I am sadded that pastor has become what I see he has become. I am not trusting as I was nor do I believe all he has to say anymore. I have heard him say, "mark it on your calendar, mark my words down....in the year 1994, 1997, 2000, then 2004, etc." I just want to keep the laws without putting dates on it. Yes, trib is coming, yes the New World Order is real and is being put into place....it will come,
Posted by Chanah on November 8, 2007 at 10:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)
justicein2008, i am not insinuating anything with regard to the HOY being evil and hateful those are your words, if I had to say that, I would say it and would have all reason to say it, if I felt that way, but all within the HOY is not peaches and cream. I am speaking from experience, as I worked and volunteered in the kitchen, during Feast and between Feast, I frequented the grounds quite often. I am just calling a spade a spade. I don't have any ill feelings with regards to the HOY, just the injustice and wrong that's going on. I don't doubt that some children are not being home schooled. My child went to the Yliyah school until it crumbled and then I was faced with having to send him to work with the elders. So I choose to send him to public school so he can have a proper education. I wanted him to have a childhood and to grow up in stages.
Please don't try to read between my lines.. I write it as it is. If you live out of town and only come to the Feast a few times a year, you have no understanding of real life in this area with the HOY. Like I said before I know these children are not being physically abused, but I also know that they forced to grow up too fast.
Posted by justicein2008 on November 8, 2007 at 11 p.m. (Suggest removal)
samdman, Long time Samson!
what I am saying is that Yedidiyah did wrong. If there were those who knew of this, and allowed it to go on, and I am hearing that there were kohans and kohanahs and judges who knew and covered it up as they were told that Yahweh would take care of it!
So get over it, Yahweh has taken care of it as Pastor would not take care of it nor do the right thing. He allowed it to continue and allowed Yedidiyah to keep speaking to the people. He did not take the children out of his home even if he did not want to believe it! I would have at least took all the children out of his home!!!
Samson, because this one act has come to light, I don't it sounding like we need to be raided as our children are suffering.
Now people, you on the grounds, if you had your children working all day, STOP it! Keep them and yourselves home! Children do not need to work all day nor sit and stare at a wall or be told to be still, be quiet, just draw, no, sit down, no don't get up, let mom work,etc. Stop that and stay home. I know you love your children and if you were doing that, you may have thought you were supposed to, or felt like you had to, etc. but you don't have to. stop now.
So, samdman, there is no need for a raid or a witch hunt. You and others may be putting the children at risk by this talk. You have been here yourself. You know that most of these children are loved by their parents.
I said also previously we have nothing to hide. I say we as I am a member but no, I don't reside on the grounds. I would just hope the CPS etc. would have an open mind about us. I just think they would be too willing to come in and not look at the facts, nor investigate thoroughly either and then want to remove the children and it would be devestating to them. That is all. I don't want to see any children suffer needlessly. If there are children who need the state's help, if you know of any, do report it. But no, we don't need a raid. Get my drift?
Posted by Chanah on November 8, 2007 at 11:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Get Real, I never said these mothers didn't love their children..where is all this coming from, they should love the children, they are blessings from Yahweh and should be loved and cherish, but you and all other mothers including myself know that since he has given us charge over these children, we are to have their best interest at heart.
I know what I am speaking about and I know that not all these children are being schooled like they should be.
Posted by samdman on November 8, 2007 at 11:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)
To Justice2008:
Ummmm...You actually said 'same thing here'???? Comparing what King David and King Solomon did and what happened here is ridiculous. They slept with women, your 'kohan' yedidiyah sinned agaist a CHILD! So there definitely is a big difference there. I'm not trying to attack you personally, I just really think what you stated is ridiculous.
Posted by Comeout_fromamong_them on November 8, 2007 at 11:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Forced to grow up too fast is a comment made by CPS about the oldest girl. No childhood to remember actually. No going to the parks, or any outings. so sad, this whole case is so sad.
If you can help be sure to email Natsaryah@yahoo.com. Every penny will help. If YHWH puts it on your heart, then please help.
The money will go directly to the Lawyer. Write teh grandmother for the address.
Posted by justicein2008 on November 8, 2007 at 11:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Chanah
We both want the same thing, justice in the HOY and the children to be able to be children and to learn and be schooled. Praise Yahweh! Oh, I am not argumentive. Never have been nor want to be. We can just all speak our minds here. That is what I like about this comment board/post. We can say what is truly on our minds without others saying I never liked him or her...etc. We can say what we want here. It feels great, doesn't it!??????? Whew!
Posted by justicein2008 on November 8, 2007 at 11:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)
samdman, i was not implying that they sinned the same sin. I was implying sin period. Look at King David, he sinned. Look at King Solomon, he too sinned. Look at Yisrayl. His sin is allowing sin to go on and being a respecter of persons and allowing an innocent child to be harmed and abused with no justice! (also other sins of Yisrayl). I was showing how one might want to jump ship and leave, but using the examples of the scriptures to wait on Yahweh and endure some more. that is all.
Posted by Chanah on November 8, 2007 at 11:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)
comeout_fromamong_them, I have contacted the grandmother and will await further instructions from her.
Posted by Healed on November 8, 2007 at 11:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)
justicein2008
I cried when i read what you wrote, sounded so much of your heart! PRAISE YAHWEH! I know that some are so strong and only because they dont want to sin, cause i am close to one like this.. to doubt not to doubt .. being strong for others so they wont sin, IM sure it was hard for you to break out the real feelings held down for so long,, some in the HOY just dont talk about the real feelings and just stay strong,, i understand,, please people who are strong,, dig deep and dont denie the truth inside you.. your inner witness,, dig deep. Its right in front of our faces,,,
to the Grandmother,
you are amazing for coming out like this, May YAHWEH BLESS YOU!! I will be praying for you and the childeren. I would send money if I had it but if you need anything else.. please email me and I can see what i can do.
pinkflowers613 @ yahoo com
Posted by Healed on November 8, 2007 at 11:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I was so afraid to come on here cause i am a memeber too and i was sooooo scared.. Racalyah bless her heart got me here,,,, I am so thankful cause it does feel great it does!!!!!!!!:)
Posted by samdman on November 8, 2007 at 11:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)
To Justice2008:
I am not the one starting the witch hunt, I dont have that kind of power. Nor am I suggesting there needs to be one. As I've said, I dont want for any families to be broken up. All I am saying is we all know that there are children in there that are at great 'risk' to say the least. With all the attention that this thing is gathering, all it will do is gather more momentum as time past by. That is why I said that if there is a time for those people who knows someone doing any wrongdoing to a child, then they better step up now or suffer the possible consequences of when the authorities decides to investigate every family there in the hoy. I myself highly doubt that they will go to that extreme. But who knows. That is why I am suggesting to all of you people inside the hoy still to do the right thing now before this whole thing turns out to be uglier than it already is.
Posted by justicein2008 on November 8, 2007 at 11:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)
You in HOY can be moderate in all things.
Be moderate. Study in moderation.
Eat in moderation. Play in moderation.
All work and no play makes one dull.
All play and no work makes on lazy and dumb.
All eat and no exercise makes one fat.
All exercise and no eat makes one unhealthy.
All study and nothing else makes one crazy!
You gotta have moderation!
Got to laugh, got to have joy, got to jump,
got to sing,
got to,
just got to!
Now think about that!
Posted by justicein2008 on November 8, 2007 at 11:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)
samdman and healed~
we all want the best for the children so let us pray to Yahweh that it will all work out.
I hope and pray that any children being abused in the HOY will get the help they need and now! not later.
I hope and pray we all find peace to stay and remain and abide in the faith.
Let us remember the prophesies....go to the HOY 3x a year, to the feasts.
Let us reflect on what we know to be truth and just do it.
Let us all do the right thing. Let us not let this thing make us run scared where we lose our salvation.
I have to go for now. May you all find peace and joy and love in your life. May Yahweh bless you and help you in all your endeavors!
Posted by Chanah on November 8, 2007 at 11:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Yahweh does not test us to prove we love Him. He gave us His laws and by keeping His Laws we show our love. He gave us a choice we either live by the laws or against the laws.
Posted by samdman on November 8, 2007 at 11:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)
To the grandmother of the child:
I am so sorry to hear what has befallen your family. I cannot express to you how sad my heart feels on learning this hienous crime done to your granddaughter. Please let her know that my heart goes out to her and that I still remember her from the time when I was still in the hoy. I literally am crying right now just imagining what kind of horrors she went through. Tell her I wish her the best and that I hope she comes out of this a better and stronger person. Please do all you can to make her feel love and adored. I know that the road ahead of you is pretty steep. But in seeing here how many people do care about this situation, hopefully we can all do our part in trying to make the journey better for all of you. I myself promise to do my part in helping out. Take care and please dont hesitate to contact me.
Samson
ghettomoe33@yahoo.com
Posted by RachylyahHawkins on November 9, 2007 at 12:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Dear Justice2008: I just want to thank you for your your postings, and writing things the way you see them, personally. I can relate very well to what you are saying. Yes, there is no doubt whatsoever that the people of hoy love their children to the highest degree. They do love them dearly. The problem, as you know is that the parents do as they are told, and if that means the children have to suffer, they feel that "the work" is more important. I know, I have been there, living close by for ten years in Eula and in Abilene. I realize now the damage I did to my daughter, now 18--though I loved her dearly and truly did not mean for her to miss so much schooling,etc..I just thought I was doing what I should. She was doing really well after the Yliyah school closed, and she was in the Eula Public School, and the staff at that school were absolutely WONDERFUL in respecting her not participating in holiday situations, as they have been for years, and I imagine still are. I was TOLD to take her out by Yisrayl himself-basically, that it was EVIL to have her in there. So because I believed too, that he could NOT be wrong, I ignored my mother's instinct and took her out. What a horrid mistake I made! How sorry I am now, when she was joyful there and learning and being as smart as she is, doing really well. My life/control was given to the opinion of hoy. I too, read all the booklets in amazement. Did you know though, that most of the booklets were taken from The Two Bablyons, I believe that is the name of it..and that actually Kay Hawkins and others put these books together? Also, that if you study history books, you can find this same information. Long story short, hoy does not "hold the market" on truth..it IS out there! I remember the stickers too and Elder Benayah cleaning them up, and all of us convincing ourselves we were suffering for righteousness sake..I can honestly say, I do believe the Father has a special reason we were all led to hoy. I wanted to forget about the people I love there, but never could, and reading that information on www.skipstanley.com website, inspired me to KNOW I can never stop caring,nor ever forget the wonderful people there. Now, I pray the Father will gather his true people who all went there with a pure heart and pure intentions, somehow get us all together as he gathers us. Seems so far-fetched and almost impossible, yet, His word says he will gather together the elect.:)
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Posted by RachylyahHawkins on November 9, 2007 at 12:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Ezek. 13:22: Because with lies ye have made the heart of the righteous sad, whom I have not made sad; and strengthened the hands of the wicked, that he should not return from his wicked way, by promising him life:
Ezek 13:23:Therefore ye shall see no more vanity, nor divine divinations: for I will deliver my people out of your hand: and ye shall know that I [am] the Creator.
Jer. 5:28:They are waxen fat, they shine: yea, they overpass the deeds of the wicked: they judge not the cause, the cause of the fatherless, yet they prosper; and the right of the needy do they not judge.
Please look here what our heavenly father has for us in order for us to discern truth from lies and protect us:
Deut: 18:21: But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die
Deut: 18:22: And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the Father hath not spoken?
Deut 18:22: When a prophet speaketh in the name of the Father, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that [is] the thing which the Father hath NOT spoken, [but] the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.
I have much more to say, but this is all for now.
Peace,joy and light of the law to you, and light of the true Mashiyach, who died for all of us, so that we might have life.
Posted by Healed on November 9, 2007 at 1 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Beautiful, Rachalyah.
I hope you are not mad at me, Thank you for talking with me, and praying for me, I did feal the prayers. May Yahweh bless you,
Healed.
Posted by RachylyahHawkins on November 9, 2007 at 1:15 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Healed, no I am not mad at you, not at all, You are a beautiful person and I love you as my sister, we have so much in common-Glad you felt my prayers..Thank you for being so brave and strong. You are a beautiful person and all of your suffering is for a purpose and your sharing shows how much you love the Father and care for others.
Please email me at sparrowscount@yahoo.com any time.
love and continued blessings in our mashiyach yhwsa. [he loves us and he is not going to leave those who are his and want to serve the Father and worship in spirit and in TRUTH! not ever.]
rosemaryann.
Posted by RachylyahHawkins on November 9, 2007 at 1:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Dear noteveragain and yahsone: just want to say i knew who you both were the whole time on here, and noteveragain we have known each other many,many years..[which may explain some of our postings to one another]..yahsone, i have yet to meet you, but congratulations on your marriage, i do hope you are having a terrific honeymoon together with lots of sunshine and joy. i look forward to the day people feel comfortable enough to use the names people know them by, freedom:).
peace.
Posted by Freakinout on November 9, 2007 at 4:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Guess what people of Yahweh, they are playing older sermons when pastor was still actually using the scriptures to teach on the radio station tonight. Not the really great ones from years ago, but older than the crap they have been bringing lately.
The sermons lately have not been spiritual. He sounds like he has a problem with fornication and adultery. He is always preaching against that like it is the only sin. I swear there hasn't been a sermon in months that he hasn't mentioned sex of some kind. I have been married many years and talked to the opposite sex, even flirted with them till I learned better, but not one time did I committed adultery. I don't have to be separated from the opposite sex to know how to keep my britches on. When we learn to make right choices, we don't have to be removed from temptation because we MAKE RIGHT CHOICES. It is the DESIRE to sin we must overcome. We need to learn to live life with the opposite sex without committing an abomination. I think YH stopped all visiting because he couldn't control "his women", so he controlled the congregation instead.
I actually hope the higher ups are reading all these posts and finally see they are not helping the people by their controlling ways.
You all know we will get a sermon on how we shouldn't be reading this stuff and those of us who have posted are betrayers...forget that they betrayed the child.
I love you all my brothers and sisters.
If I get excommunicated, I will just have to love you from afar.
Posted by Comeout_fromamong_them on November 9, 2007 at 7:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)
You know Freakinout, ever since June 12th and the prophecy of 1/3 of man killed over a 1/4th part of the earth...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7TeOjpmw...
...the HOH has been on damage control ever since that date and YH is blaming the people that YHWH is holding back the wars, because they are not ready. It is never HIS FALSE PROPHECIES that may be the problem. Blame everyone else for His problems including a 14 year old girl! He claims he raised Yedidiyah and he is his fruit. You will know them by their fruit. (LOL) Kohan B. stop blaming your granddaughter for your sons indiscretions as you did in your last sermon. You always loved them and they wanted to go to see you at Feast, and so now you will never see them unless you REPENT of trying to destroy her life as your son did!!
Enjoy the you tube, don't forget to look at it!
Posted by kepowe on November 9, 2007 at 7:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I want to say that I have been here daily, reading these posts, and praying for each and every one of you. I know that "some" have been taught to believe that Christians are "evil" and that we worship "satan", but I can ASSURE you, that is not the case! I have heard YH on the radio (88.9FM in the Clyde, Eula area) saying these things.
justicein2008, you said earlier, "Let us all do the right thing. Let us not let this thing make us run scared where we lose our salvation"
I don't know how this reads in the b o y but in my KJV, John 10:28-29 Jesus says:
(28)"And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any [man] pluck them out of my hand."
(29)"My Father, which gave [them] me, is greater than all; and no [man] is able to pluck [them] out of my Father's hand."
I can say with all honesty, and should you chose to turn away from Hawkins, you are NOT turning away from the Heavenly Father, nor His Son, Our Savior!
Posted by Comeout_fromamong_them on November 9, 2007 at 7:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Leave the House or Hawkins and Lose your Salvation...That is the latest scare tactic! He doesn't want to see those dollars flying out the gate behind you!
Posted by Healed on November 9, 2007 at 10:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I have to say this:
Cults: take the POWER OF DECISION MAKING over you
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